Research and theories behind GH GUT?

[WannaBPowerful]

I really wanna try GH for 6 months, maybe more. Im young at 20yrs old, but i wouldnt try it til next cycle starts anyway. the ONLY thing im worried about is the irreversable GH GUT. We all know it exists (coleman, burke, titus, Ruhl, etc. . .) Only thing is we have theories and no definite proof about it. Some believe that it is caused from excessivly high doses of GH, and some believe insulin plays a role.

Im lookin for any and all research articles that could shed some light on this for me.

Would like some opinions, experiences, and any other info everyone has on the subject. Is there ANY known cases of someone gettin GH gut on only 4IU of GH for say 6-9 months?

 

[poantrex]

My theory is that the guys with GH gut are probably taking 18 iu a day

 

[psychedout]

I dunno man, but IMO, you are to young for GH.

Being only 20, your body still produces a significant amount of GH.

Now if you 30, thats another story.

I think you should wait, but thats just me.

 

[jubei]

I believe GH gut is caused by an enlargement of the intestines, somebody step in and correct me if I'm wrong. You are pretty young at only 20 years old, but I don't think 4 iu's a day will really have much of a detrimental effect on your body.

 

[WannaBPowerful]

Well reasons i wanna jump on now. . .

I am really into competing now, and wanna see what i can really do. Dont wanna wait 10 years. Im not gonna care much about what i can do when im 30. If i do do well on it now, il be ahead of the game by the time im 30 and have more time for improvement.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

If you want my opinion bro, DON'T DO IT! At 20 your way to young IMO! 4iu/Day will just not cut it. Your body is producing a significant amount of GH already at your young age so to see the benifits that say, a 40yo would then you will need to up the dose which also brings more potential for side effects (which possably could never be reversed) Stick to the basics and you'll get there, don't be in such a rush. Maybe down the line in a couple years if you still feel that you need it then start to look into it. Good luck

M18

 

[WannaBPowerful]

Where is Golfer on this one. He has a post on steroidology about his experience with GH. He did 4IU for 4 months, and hes 21. Got amazing results, and experience was great. Ummm well... here it is...

My opinion on GH for young guys
Before I started using GH I read a lot post saying that it is better for old men. I do not think that many young guys have ran GH which leads everyone else to believe it only works in older men. I have nothing to back that statement up. I don't know if it works better in older men or younger men. I know it is working for me though. I have been on 4iuED for 5 months now. After 4 months I cut down to 2iuED with no change in results. I tried shooting it in the morning, around lunch, and right before bed time and my best results have been around 12-1 pm. For the first 3 months I cycled it with

Test Enan 750mg/weeks 1-10
Eq 400mg/weeks 1-10
Fina 75mgED/Weeks 5-12
Winny 50mgED/Weeks 5-12

Femara 2.5mgED and T3 for the last 4 weeks. I also ran some HCG along with it. I had great gains of the cycle and I could never really tell what the GH was doing until after the cycle. The gains were not outrageous, it was just 12 pounds. 12 pounds doesn't sound like a lot but the mirror told a lot more than 12 pounds. I started clomid, nolvadex, and some HCG and finished it up about 3 weeks ago. So far I have not lost a pound. My diet was very clean on the cycle and then I upped my calories once I started clomid therapy. As of now I am trying to put some on mass until next summer and the GH is keeping my vascularity and I am staying on the lean side. I have maintained most of my strength from the cycle except on a few exercises, one is bent over barbell rows which I have dropped 15 pounds. The most amazing thing I have found on GH is the muscle separation. Its almost like it separates all your muscle groups and puts muscle exactly where it was meant to be. I would not do GH if it was only going to be ran 4 or 5 months, there is no point. Once you would start to see something you be stopping. I am going to try to stay on for a year if my pocket book can withstand the beating. I will upping my dose to 3iu and will continue shooting around 12pm-1pm. The only side I get is carpal. When I lay in bed at night and open my hand, I have to try and open it if you know what I mean, when I let go it closes almost to where its like I am holding a coke can. That is then only side I have had so far. Hope this helps some young guys out.

Oh yeah and this what I would do if you decide to run it.....unless you are pretty well off make sure you can run it for atleast 7-8 months so you don't waste your money. I had a little spending spree around month 3 and almost couldn't buy another kit.

 

[WannaBPowerful]

Golfer18, glad you have liked your results so far. I'm 24 and thinking about using rhgh at a low dose but ofcourse all the statements of" wait till you get older it's a waste of money if your still in your early 20s" has held me back........well that and the fact that it's pretty steep. Have a few questions for you. How old are you? What type of rHGH are you using?

21. All kits have been Eurotechs but I got a raise at work so I am about to start some serostims.

 

[genarr4]

Dont wanna wait 10 years. Im not gonna care much about what i can do when im 30.

I PROMISE you when you turn 30 you WILL care.

 

[WannaBPowerful]

I know il care. Thing is, i dont wanna look back and say i wish i did this a long time ago, and think about what i COULD have done if i did it a long time ago. I wanna see what i can do at a young age, and improve as much as possible over the years. If i do what i can for the next 3-4 years, then realize bodybuilding isnt in the cards for me, il just tone it down a bit.

 

[jasonstrong]

I think the GH gut comes from IGF-1, as I have never done GH before but TREN has given me a bloated gut many times and it is rumored to stimulate IGF-1 production more soo than any other AAS.

 

[Big BX]

I am 23 and been using GH since November. Started at 3iu's a day and now up to 6iu's a day. Been using AAS off and on too. I have no GH gut. The GH has really leaned me out and made me vascular. People will say it is the AAS, but I have done the same cycles without GH and there is a difference. I would not go over 8iu's a day, ever. But you do what you wanna do. My advice would be use it with test prop and tren. That was an awesome 8 weeks.

 

[ripper911]

Wannab your researching yourself into trouble......stick with the basics YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED - Ripper911


PEARL STREET RULEs !!!

 

[CASS]

i wouldn't use GH at 20.

i won't repeat what eveyone has said other than listen to it.

esp. mustang_18. you will regret it if you dont.

 

[MUSMIRFLX]

BE CAREFULL

I seem to hear it all the time some guys 18 or 20 years old
wanting to get huge and wanting to try every roid and
GH to enhance themselves. Well guys. GH is one very expensive treatment and at 900 to 1500 a month for moderate GH is a waste of time and money when your 20yo. Hell I am 47 and the
the most I got out of 6 months was never being sleepy and wanting to train or J/o constantly. It helps lean up but so does
equiproise and much cheaper. Remember ONE THING. if you over due gear at 35 you will be retired from more than just bodybuilding. more is not better unless its muscle. So be care
full guys, be patient and with time you will build a body that will last for years not just for a few. Its hard not to want to be the
huge muscle alpha male in (1) years time. but later you may have to live with what you did to your body at a young age. I am 47 and most young guys think I look incredible for 35. when I say I am almost 48 they freak out. SO if you want to look great later in life pase yourself now. Good luck guys and keep it
in moderation.

 

[jasonstrong]

Heck I would not use AAS at the age of 20...let alone GH...personal choice...

 

[poantrex]

I'm gonna say, go for it. GH doesn't surpress natural hormonal production and is not harmful when used in reasonable dosages.

Dave Palumbo noted once that the best GH results he's ever seen were among those in their late teens/early 20's.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I agree with most of the bro's here. At your age you probably don't have thousands of extra $$$ just laying around, but then again maybe you do. My advice it to stick to the things that give you the most bang for your $$$. I'm a full-time student right now myself, so I tend to stick with test, tren, humalin-r, liquidex, sometimes a little winny (when I need to be ripped for a contest, photo etc).
jasonstrong, agreed! Certainly the fact that alot of pro's are using 12+ iu's of gh a day, and 50-100 iu's of insulin probably plays a role, but I think the #1 cause is injecting igf-1r3.