Raisins??

[tsarleon]

any thoughts on raisins? 1 cup is about 100g carbs, plus has fiber as well. im bulking, but not on the "see food" bulk. Any thoughts on snacking on a cup full throughout the day???? adds about 400cals. might help to change things up etc. thoughts?

 

[HANSEL]

Raisins are a great source of fiber, Iron and Antioxidants. Like nuts tho, they are calorie dense.
A while back one morn at work I sat there and downed prolly 3-4 cups of raisins ( I was stressed) and I was "Seeing them again" by about 4-5PM that same day. There really good for the digestive tract.

 

[tsarleon]

thanks for the response. what about for a carb source?

 

[nowuhavetoodie]

i love raisens in the off-season, combine them with white rice and you got a slammin insulin spike.

 

[Mr.X]

any thoughts on raisins? 1 cup is about 100g carbs, plus has fiber as well. im bulking, but not on the "see food" bulk. Any thoughts on snacking on a cup full throughout the day???? adds about 400cals. might help to change things up etc. thoughts?

They are an awful carb source, for THEY ARE FRUCTOSE. Raisins are GRAPES. Frucotes, especially at times when your glucose intake is high, will be stored as bodyfat because of the liver full glycogen. Most glycose is stored as liver GL, so at times of liver fullness, most of the fructose will bypass the liver and head for fat-stores. FRUCTOSE=EVIL

Mr.X

 

[Ex_banana-eater]

actually, grapes and grape juices have nearly highest glucose to fructose amounts (higher glucose than fructose compared to almost all fruits). The glucose is actually maltodextrine. Raisins are high in it, and it could be beneficial to send more protein to your muscles, being the highest on the Glycemic Index. Peace.

 

[Mr.X]

actually, grapes and grape juices have nearly highest glucose to fructose amounts (higher glucose than fructose compared to almost all fruits). The glucose is actually maltodextrine. Raisins are high in it, and it could be beneficial to send more protein to your muscles, being the highest on the Glycemic Index. Peace.

What are you talking about? Fruits are mostly FRUCTOSE...period... Hence the name FRUIT.

Any fructose is going to be a negative when it comes to body-fat loss, even for muscle gains.

Mr.X

 

[Ex_banana-eater]

Grapes have a higher maltodextrine to fructose ratio than any other fruit. Don't believe me? Research it for yourself. Why do you think medications are taken with grape juice to increase bioavailability? Because grape juice shuttles it to the body quickly because of its high maltodextrine content.

 

[Mr.X]

Grapes have a higher maltodextrine to fructose ratio than any other fruit. Don't believe me? Research it for yourself. Why do you think medications are taken with grape juice to increase bioavailability? Because grape juice shuttles it to the body quickly because of its high maltodextrine content.

First, you need a little more research my young friend. Which should be done before making blanket statments.

Red Grapes (RG) - most widely used for raisings- are not what you think they are. RG proves to have an inhibitory effects in term of digestion (highly proved in the field of IRON study) that is likely due to high levels of polyphenolic compounds that bind and thereby prevent absorption of soluble Fe. (Fe uptake inhibitors (e.g., polyphenolic compounds)).

Here is my science: *(citation)
Red grape juice inhibits iron availability: application of an in vitro digestion/caco-2 cell model.
Boato F, Wortley GM, Liu RH, Glahn RP.
Institute of Food Science, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York 14853, USA.
-J Agric Food Chem 2002 Nov 6;50(23):6935-8

The only way grapes do anything is when they enhances platelet and endothelial production of nitric oxide, which improves endothelial function to a small degree. NOTHING BIG!

My proof: science (*citation)
Adv Exp Med Biol 2002;505:95-111


Now, another statement of yours:
-maltodextrin is MADE from natural corn starch

What's your science behind saying grapes contain maltodextrin? YOu must be joking....
Grapes contain some glucose polymers and the rest is fructose. 90/10.

Because grape juice shuttles it to the body quickly because of its high maltodextrine content.

Maltodextrine DOES NOT SHUTTLE MEDICATION INTO THE BODY!
WHERE do you get this ludicrous information, you must read too much FLEX or muscle mag. INSULINE shuttles nutrients into cells/etc. NOT the MALTODEXTRINE. Do you research, and if you post back it up w/ SCIENCE.

Merry Christmas!

Mr.X

 

[tsarleon]

well damn ill never touch a raisin
hahahaha

 

[Ex_banana-eater]

Maltodextrine DOES NOT SHUTTLE MEDICATION INTO THE BODY!
WHERE do you get this ludicrous information, you must read too much FLEX or muscle mag. INSULINE shuttles nutrients into cells/etc. NOT the MALTODEXTRINE. Do you research, and if you post back it up w/ SCIENCE.

Merry Christmas!

Mr.X [/B]

i am quite aware of this, it was a gross oversimplification. we dont need to pick on symantics do we.

 

[Ex_banana-eater]

Also I'm am sure the amount of iron does not significantly effect digestion time. About how much would it be effected by?

Sure the sugar in the raisins can be bad, but they are also high in antioxidants and minerals. Sticking with raisin bran can be good.

 

[Mr.X]

i am quite aware of this, it was a gross oversimplification. we dont need to pick on symantics do we.

You mean semantics, which is the meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form.

JUST AN FYI for you young man...

Mr.X

 

[Mr.X]

Also I'm am sure the amount of iron does not significantly effect digestion time. About how much would it be effected by?

Sure the sugar in the raisins can be bad, but they are also high in antioxidants and minerals. Sticking with raisin bran can be good.

Iron does not effect in vitro digestion, for the studies are done w/ grapes and thier ability to prevent proper digestion and/or absorption. Grape juice has become to the bodybuilding world what I call a "parroting" effect. One guy said it, and all the people that would like to sound smart just "parrot" the idea w/o any SCIENTIFIC proof or litigation.

Actually the fructose in raisins IS bad, but I can't argue w/ the potent anti-oxidant properties. However, such properties can easily be achieved w/ proper daily nutritional intake of mv/m, r-ala, vit c and e.

Mr.X

 

[BoDEAN]

I hear raisins help muscle grow,and are a good post-workout snack.

Any truth to this?

 

[Euphanasia]

oh my god has anyone eaten frozen grapes.. they are so good

 

[MiniColemans]

What are you talking about? Fruits are mostly FRUCTOSE...period... Hence the name FRUIT.

Any fructose is going to be a negative when it comes to body-fat loss, even for muscle gains.

Mr.X

wrong buddy, white grape juice for instance is mostly glucose

 

[BoDEAN]

I hear raisins help muscle grow,and are a good post-workout snack.

Any truth to this?

 

[jerkbox]

i would have never thought I'd be witness to people having an arguement over raisens......lol



my .02? it's better than eating a candy bar or something...so go for it.

I like celery spread w/ peanut butter, then stick some raisens in there.