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R-ala - My first try

Diesel3d

Diesel3d

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I got my r-ala in today. I completed all my meals today so far. My last meal consisted of 25g of protein, 13 grams of fat and some veggies. My last 3 meals have been exactly like this. My daily carbs are only 75 grams/day , not including veggies. I’m cutting obviously…

Anyway, I deicide to test the r-ala out just about 30 min ago, which is about 45 min after my last meal.

About 10 min after taking 100mg (1 cap ) I got REALLY tired sitting here. NO heart burn at ALL... even as the time went on. At this point i knew it was kicked in. So i started flexing in my chair and i had this crazy pump! So i got up and started flexing in the mirror ( heh :) ). I felt harder/tight, had a pump when i was not even lifting, AND I’m on a VERY low carb diet. my last carb was 11:00am. When i did this it was about 9:00 pm.

So this shit does work! This could all be a placebo effect I’m having because of my expectations, but i doubt it. I did not get like this with my normal ALA from kilosports. Hell, when I was bulking I use to take 10 caps ( 1 friggin gram ) of the kilosport ALA before a big meal, and did not even feel anything. I would get heart burn from it when i take it with no food though. Maybe it was doing something but I could not tell. I can actually FEEL the r-ala, and i got no heart burn taken with no meal. Only 100mg though.

I can't wait to take this with my pre workout shake tomorrow which is the time I have my carbs, so the pump should be INSANE in the gym. I’m also going to try this with every meal tomorrow taking 1 cap 10 min before, I will have a total of 700 mg tomorrow ( 7 meals ).

Will post again if I notice anything new…
so far so good
 
Ok, I got mine today as well. I just took 3 before my meal- it included about 75 carbs and no heartburn, no tiredness. Diesel- so take them even when your not having a carb meal? But you take less than you would with a carb meal correct? How many are you going to take with that postworkout shake? I'm trying to figure out about how much I should take. I'm not on a low carb diet by the way. I eat around 200-300 carbs a day.

SOLID
 
I'm only going to start 100mg with my post workout just incase.

i'll take it with my carb-less meals too, not sure about more or less. Im just going to try 100mg and see how i feel.
 
Diesel, I just took another 300mg with a carbless meal- still no heartburn, feeling a little warm about 15min after eating- feeling a little tired. I'm going to bump it up next meal to 400mg.
 
yeah at 300mg r-, i def felt more tired than when i take 900mg nutriteam ala. it does seem to be doing what they claimed. i havent been in ketosis for about a wk, ive been eating lots of carbs. im gonna bring them back down to 200carbs day, thats where 3g reg ala kept me in trace ketosis.

however, nutriteam has been the only ala ive tried so far, and ulter said he tested it and it wasnt anywhere near a 50/50 mix, it was mostly s-. so im not sure if it will be worth the extra $$$$$ over a good 50/50 mix.

but yes no heartburn!
 
mvmaxx said:
As long as you eat after taking ALA heartburn becomes a non-issue
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I'll have to remember that. The stuff has been killin me...
 
This was what happened to me as well. I used 300mg and got weak and tired with hunger and I also got the pumps from it just sitting there.
Then the 2nd time I went over and looked in the mirror and I thought WOW I got bigger. I must have added 10 pounds of lean body mass in 3 hours. No more AS for me. :)

Seriously, it does fill your muscles with glycogen and fill you out very nicely.
 
ulter said:
It would be kinda nice to have you do it.
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I'd love to -- but I'm broke right now. I'm even holding off on buying my preworkout e/y/c stack. Brutal. Too bad the kids have to eat huh? (j/k)

If you want to set up some sort of trial, or cut me a deal to do a day by day reporting of effects, I'd be happy to participate -- you know that I'm open-minded, but not ga-ga over the hype...

Otherwise, maybe in a month or two...
 
We can't make it fast enough right now, so maybe another time. I'll make a note of it in my book.
As far as the hype thing goes though. A member here just asked two hours ago "what is r-ALA and where do I get it?" If someone had found a better more effective way that I could get the same results from 300mg of test, instead of using a gram and putting up with all the sides that gram causes me, I would be pissed if they didn't stand on their heads and scream about it on every board there is until I saw it. We're just getting the word out.
 
ulter said:
We can't make it fast enough right now, so maybe another time. I'll make a note of it in my book.
As far as the hype thing goes though. A member here just asked two hours ago "what is r-ALA and where do I get it?" If someone had found a better more effective way that I could get the same results from 300mg of test, instead of using a gram and putting up with all the sides that gram causes me, I would be pissed if they didn't stand on their heads and scream about it on every board there is until I saw it. We're just getting the word out.
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Cool, make that note. And rest assured, when I say "hype" I don't mean it in a negative way.
 
Diesel3d said:
i don't see how this would be considered hype. ALA is one of the biggest things on this board, so it's very important people know about this. for the better of all the people using ALA, the word needs to get out to maxamize our progress and saftey . For gods sake 99.9% of us depend on ALA to detox our liver.

The facts of r-ala and s-ala are very real, you can see here http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=151547 ....
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As I said above, hype is hype, I'm not assigning a negative connotation to it. Are you?

I'm fully aware of the facts about R(+)-lipoic acid, S(-)-lipoic acid and the racemic mixes of the two. I was posting articles about them before AF even came out with the product. Decadense was actually the one that brought R and S properties to my attention.

There's no doubt that pure R ALA is technically a better product than racemic mixes. However, there's no doubt that racemic mixes have been used effectively for quite some time by athletes, diabetics and life-extensionists.

If you're using it as an antioxidant, than R vs racemic doesn't really matter as both R and S have effective antioxidant properties (although R is admittedly better). And I would surmise that the insulin sensitivity issue in this case would be nil as small quantities are consumed for this purpose and the R and S components would effectively cancel one another out (with R gaining a slight edge).

Where it may matter is for those using it to induce ketosis. In racemic mixes, the S does have some negative insulin sensitivity impact (and other issues), but the R component is able to overtake that. By definition, half of racemic mixtures are R-type. Traditional ALA manufacturing produces a R/S racemate mix of 50/50. Assuming you get a product that isn't damaged (as Ulter aluded to) than your mix will be 50/50. It's not separated because it's very expensive to separate. (Pure R is manufactured with a different process that doesn't yield the S racemate.)

As a result, you have to proportionally ingest more R type in a racemic mixture than you would in a pure R-type formulation. (we don't know what this ratio is yet though, although 3:1 is what is being 'hyped').

In simple terms, we need to know that for a given body of subjects it took 3 grams (example) of racemic to maintain ketosis (as tested by ketostix), and under the same conditions, it only took one gram (example) of R to maintain the same state.

But, in the real world, most guys that are using it to induce ketosis are going in only several week bursts and then returning to homeostasis. So, once you are at or over the ratio threshold (ex. 3:1) in short applications, does the advantage of pure R really matter except in only the most technical sense? There's data that suggests long-term ingestion of S is not great for you, but in a short application I don't really know.

So, we have to take some time and see if it lives up to the hype.
 
So, in some ways, it becomes a cost issue. I can get a 50/50 racemic mix at a $16.50 price point. This 50 grams will contain 25 grams of R. We can get the pure R type for $19 (?) for 10 grams and it is all R. So if the pure R works 2.5x or better than the racemic mix, it's worth it from a cost standpoint. But we don't have anybody testing with ketostix yet to tell us if this is the case...
 
While were talking about the R-ALA , Im planning on using ALA just for liver protection on the first 4 weeks of my cycle when I ran Dbol.
Would R-ALA be more beneficial or would regural ALA get the job done?
Thanks bros.
 
24 hour results:

ive used 1300mg in the last 24hrs, i worked out very intensly this morning on an empty stomach. had about 70carbs post workout, w/ 300mg r- ala.

im showin about 4-5 mg per 100ml of ketones.

im not overly impressed but i need to give this a few more day so all the variables in my diet and life can equall out, and i can make a more accurate comparison. i have been on reg ala for 2 months prior to this.
 
Canuck4 said:
While were talking about the R-ALA , Im planning on using ALA just for liver protection on the first 4 weeks of my cycle when I ran Dbol.
Would R-ALA be more beneficial or would regural ALA get the job done?
Thanks bros.
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R vs S
As an anti-oxidant they are at least not competing with each other like they do with your insulin levels. The s is a pretty good anti-oxidant. The liver studies however were done with r-ALA and I haven't seen any that used the racemic so I don't know how effective it is.
 
superchicken said:
24 hour results:

ive used 1300mg in the last 24hrs, i worked out very intensly this morning on an empty stomach. had about 70carbs post workout, w/ 300mg r- ala.

im showin about 4-5 mg per 100ml of ketones.

im not overly impressed but i need to give this a few more day so all the variables in my diet and life can equall out, and i can make a more accurate comparison. i have been on reg ala for 2 months prior to this.
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Thanks for the update. Can you tell us more about your dosage protocol (i.e. frequency/rate of ingestion), and also, how many total carbs are you taking in during the day? At what level did you take the racemic mix and what were your results with it?

I will say that you are probably right in going with pure R, especially since you seem to be dosing long-term at a fairly high level...

I'm assuming that 4-5 mg per 100 ml is trace ketosis?
 
yes very light trace ketosis. basically i spread the ala evenly w/ carb meals, about 200mg each. total carbs around 200-250.

give me another day or so and ill go into more detail w/ updates.
 
THeMaCHinE: well put

I'm not on a keto diet now but my diet consists of 73 carbs/ day. veggies fat and protien most of the day. i took 100mg before eachmeal today... i should just try a keto strip and see if i am in ketosis. I'll go pick them up tomorrow
 
myasshurts said:
IMO The racemic is a much better value. (totall unbiased opinon of course :)
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Not for me. Im allergic to ALA (or at least racemic ALA), at the quantities needed for all the benifits. Ive been on the r-ALA at 600mg per day and so far no allergic reactions whatsoever!!
 
hitmeoff said:


Not for me. Im allergic to ALA (or at least racemic ALA), at the quantities needed for all the benifits. Ive been on the r-ALA at 600mg per day and so far no allergic reactions whatsoever!!
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That makes perfect sense and backs up what the studies show. The r-ALA is natural and your body knows what to do with it. The s-ALA it doesn't.
I am glad you are able to use the r-ALA bro, that's the best post I've read all week.
 
How soon before you eat do you guys take your ALA to get the amazing results you've posted so far? Also, wheres the best/cheapest place to get the r-ALA??

mr meth

IronFist said:


I'll have to remember that. The stuff has been killin me...
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lastnight was the first time I took the R- ALA. I took 300mg 3X for the rest of my meals. Today I took 300mg, 300mg, 400mg, 500mg, 400mg, and will take another 300-400mg with last meal. I generally eat around 200carbs on training days but mainly my meals come from Protein/Fat. Today was my off day, and I have had around 100 carbs. I will test with ketostix after my last meal. I tested this morning and was in the negative. Still no heartburn with 500mg and no carbs. Don't really feel the pumps I have heard about. I'll reply again after I test for ketosis.
 
Damn bro, you'll be doing a bottle every 4 days at that pace. Which brings us to the question, how cost effective is it? Yes, we know it's better but if a months supply is $80 and you can get 2.5 months for $25 of regular, I think many people will learn to deal with the heartburn and save some bread. For a diabetic who would only require a cap a day it may be better but for bodybuilders who enjoy a lot of everything, I dunno.

I'm interested in learning more about r-ala, so keep us updated :)

Ya gotta love AF though, they're cutting edge. Keep up the good work boys.


Iwan2bsolid2 said:
lastnight was the first time I took the R- ALA. I took 300mg 3X for the rest of my meals. Today I took 300mg, 300mg, 400mg, 500mg, 400mg, and will take another 300-400mg with last meal. I generally eat around 200carbs on training days but mainly my meals come from Protein/Fat. Today was my off day, and I have had around 100 carbs. I will test with ketostix after my last meal. I tested this morning and was in the negative. Still no heartburn with 500mg and no carbs. Don't really feel the pumps I have heard about. I'll reply again after I test for ketosis.
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Not sure how cost effective it is

But a Kilo of R Type ALA Powder is $410 so I guess do the maths to see whether the current suppliers are ripping you off
 
kbp74,

that is the average price for R-"heavy" ala .. a partial extraction that raises ratio to 60-80% (a big variance).. the price on pure R+ that is 99%+ is higher... though it all depends on purchase volume and manufacturer....(ie.. source country and reputation)
 
MAC check your PM

Ulter - Deal - well sort of

Actually No deal - I have far too much money as it is..dont want any more - what I will do is after its come back tested Ill give you the supplier name and contact and you buy it at the price........


Im waiting for it to arrive and will send it away for analysis.
And YES I do understand that this price is VERY competitive hence why Im waiting on it and will get it tested
 
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