Question on Var

[bigb797977]

I have had some var lying around for a while and have been wanting to work it into a cycle a some point. I have no experience with it My next cycle I'm starting next week will be:
1-4
Dbol 30mgs / day

1-12
Deca 400mgs / wk
Test enanthate 800mgs / wk

Any suggestions on where to work it in? I have about a dozen cycles under my belt and am 225lbs, 10%bf, lifting 13+ years, 31 yo. Obviously this is a bulker (done this one several times and love it) but I would like to hardden up towards the end. I have PCT and adex for any gyno that might show up(usually don't need it). Just looking for thoughts

 

[Texas Monster]

What I find hard to believe is that you have 13 years of cycling experience and do not know to extend your test 2 weeks past your Deca.

Anyways place var at the end for 6 weeks. And this is how you should have layed out your cycle unless it is a typo
Weeks 1-12 deca
Weeks 1-14 test e
Weeks 1-4 dbol
Weeks 12-18 Var 60mg ed

pct week 18

I place the var at the end of my cycles like this because it provides a better transition into pct imo. That way you are waiting for the esters to clear you can still keep good levels.

 

[ALIN]

I have had some var lying around for a while and have been wanting to work it into a cycle a some point. I have no experience with it My next cycle I'm starting next week will be:
1-4
Dbol 30mgs / day

1-12
Deca 400mgs / wk
Test enanthate 800mgs / wk

Any suggestions on where to work it in? I have about a dozen cycles under my belt and am 225lbs, 10%bf, lifting 13+ years, 31 yo. Obviously this is a bulker (done this one several times and love it) but I would like to hardden up towards the end. I have PCT and adex for any gyno that might show up(usually don't need it). Just looking for thoughts

You could sub the DBOL for the ANAVAR depending on how many you have.

 

[bigb797977]

What I find hard to believe is that you have 13 years of cycling experience and do not know to extend your test 2 weeks past your Deca.

Anyways place var at the end for 6 weeks. And this is how you should have layed out your cycle unless it is a typo
Weeks 1-12 deca
Weeks 1-14 test e
Weeks 1-4 dbol
Weeks 12-18 Var 60mg ed

pct week 18

I place the var at the end of my cycles like this because it provides a better transition into pct imo. That way you are waiting for the esters to clear you can still keep good levels.

I go straight into TRT after cycle.

 

[dylangemelli]

im more concerned with the fact your running deca 12 weeks, 10 is plenty, and that you make no mention of an ai or anti progesterone...

 

[25homes]

Good advice above work in at end

 

[bigb797977]

im more concerned with the fact your running deca 12 weeks, 10 is plenty, and that you make no mention of an ai or anti progesterone...

I do mention adex, but usually don't need it. I have run this cycle several times in the past (with exception to the var) and have not had issues with 12 weeks. I have caber but have never needed it.

 

[dylangemelli]

you would run anavar the last 6 weeks of your cycle... so your running test 12 weeks and pct would start after 14 weeks... so run anavar weeks 9-14... i would run proviron alongside it if you can... i would also use n2guard alongside of it because it can have negative effects on bp and the liver... i use lipid stabil with anavar as well because it can have negative effects on your lipids...

 

[Texas Monster]

you would run anavar the last 6 weeks of your cycle... so your running test 12 weeks and pct would start after 14 weeks... so run anavar weeks 9-14... i would run proviron alongside it if you can... i would also use n2guard alongside of it because it can have negative effects on bp and the liver... i use lipid stabil with anavar as well because it can have negative effects on your lipids...

Wouldnt PCT start at week 16?

 

[kc17]

Wouldnt PCT start at week 16?

He doesn't pct , he's on TRT . Blast and cruise

 

[dylangemelli]

Wouldnt PCT start at week 16?

no it would start week 15... 2 weeks after his last pin... run test for 12 weeks... then week 13 and 14 are the waiting period before he starts... if he was running pct, but he's not...

 

[LiquidPhire]

Good advice here, however my only thing is. Use an AI (Adex) , run the test 2 weeks longer then the deca due to the longer acting of the deca. Good to read you have caber / adex on hand. I don't think a liver supp is really needed for anavar personally. Dianabol sure, Anavar -- not so much. Just my opinion.

 

[Texas Monster]

no it would start week 15... 2 weeks after his last pin... run test for 12 weeks... then week 13 and 14 are the waiting period before he starts... if he was running pct, but he's not...

I quess I am a little bit confused on this one. In a cycle like this since he is running test e at 800mg a week, after two weeks he would still have upwards of 245-275 mg of test still in his system. Doesnt this number have to be less than 100 in order to be considered a sub_suppressive level?

Or am I thinking about pct all wrong? Are we supposed to start pct before the levels get to 100mg because I was under the impression that If you start pct and still have levels of aas that suppress your hpta then you will be doing nothing in terms of helping your recovery.