Qucik story

[JKurz1]

My story:

Well, about 1.5 years ago, this little black guy walks into the gym and looks like he came off the street. Dreads, pants saggn,cell phone etc….anyways, he looks to be about 140lbs soaking wet and skinny as a rail. Long story short, he won a year membership by sticking his name in one of those boxes at subway and had never been to a gym before. He walks over to me and asks if anyone is using the bench. I said no and within minutes, I find myself prying the bar, loaded with 2 25’s off of his chest. I tell him to ask for a spot and maybe just try starting off with the bar until he becomes familiar with the weights. I walked him through some quick routines, eating schedules, etc and he said “all I want to do is stay outta trouble and I think this is the way. I wanna be BIG, that’s all I care about.”

Long story even shorter, he’s been a die hard for over a year, sure he’s got a ton to learn, but has invested much time and money (takes anything he sees ads for, currently on anavator, blast cycle and cytogainer. His diet needs a lot of work, but he is now benching 225 for 4 reps, weighs 200lbs clothed, is getting stronger and stronger and bulkier and bulkier. Trains his ass off and eats a boat load of cals. All he cares about is crazy amouints of protein, but he says its working. He consumes about 3,000cals in cytogainer alone and then whatever else he can get his hands on. Sure he’s gained some chub, but put on some serious size, to a point where people don’t recognize him anymore.

He’s always asking me questions. Yesterday, was the stumper. At 22, he has decdided (after a ton of research) he wants to do a very milkd cycle to help push him over the edge. I tried to talk him out, but he is set in his ways. His choice is test and anavar for 10 weeks. My question to you guys, so I can answer his. If he continues to eat heavy, no cardio, etc, and takes 250mg of test a week and 20mg of var, will this produce lean mass gains, maybe help him lean out a little and get stronger, pushing him over the max? Is that enough to do it? Much thanks.

 

[cejeff]

In his first cycle, 250mg/wk of Test and 30mg of Var daily for six weeks. He should see some returns. 30lb NO. Maybe not even 20lb. But 15lb is reachable. Get his PCT right first. I work a cycle backwards before going forward. You don't wanna take your last shot and scramble for PCT. Grant you have time but don't be put in that situation. EVER. Is that 250mg of Test E or Sus? I don't think any C17 should be ran for 10 weeks. If you stick with him on training he will be fine.

 

[drrman]

My story:

Well, about 1.5 years ago, this little black guy walks into the gym and looks like he came off the street. Dreads, pants saggn,cell phone etc….anyways, he looks to be about 140lbs soaking wet and skinny as a rail. Long story short, he won a year membership by sticking his name in one of those boxes at subway and had never been to a gym before. He walks over to me and asks if anyone is using the bench. I said no and within minutes, I find myself prying the bar, loaded with 2 25’s off of his chest. I tell him to ask for a spot and maybe just try starting off with the bar until he becomes familiar with the weights. I walked him through some quick routines, eating schedules, etc and he said “all I want to do is stay outta trouble and I think this is the way. I wanna be BIG, that’s all I care about.”

Long story even shorter, he’s been a die hard for over a year, sure he’s got a ton to learn, but has invested much time and money (takes anything he sees ads for, currently on anavator, blast cycle and cytogainer. His diet needs a lot of work, but he is now benching 225 for 4 reps, weighs 200lbs clothed, is getting stronger and stronger and bulkier and bulkier. Trains his ass off and eats a boat load of cals. All he cares about is crazy amouints of protein, but he says its working. He consumes about 3,000cals in cytogainer alone and then whatever else he can get his hands on. Sure he’s gained some chub, but put on some serious size, to a point where people don’t recognize him anymore.

He’s always asking me questions. Yesterday, was the stumper. At 22, he has decdided (after a ton of research) he wants to do a very milkd cycle to help push him over the edge. I tried to talk him out, but he is set in his ways. His choice is test and anavar for 10 weeks. My question to you guys, so I can answer his. If he continues to eat heavy, no cardio, etc, and takes 250mg of test a week and 20mg of var, will this produce lean mass gains, maybe help him lean out a little and get stronger, pushing him over the max? Is that enough to do it? Much thanks.

of course it will help, steroids will NOT lean him out a little, he has to do that with diet and cardio.......and 250mg test and 20mg var is not a very good cycle in my book, he need at least 500mg test, and as for teh var, 20mg/day is a waste of money if you ask me, either up it to 60-80 or just drop it, but he needs to worry about many more things.....anti estrogens, pct etc

 

[cejeff]

That's 250mg/wk of Test for the ten weeks and 30mg of Var for the first six weeks. Make sure too that his lipids and blood pressure is ok too. I'm just real pick about things like that, especially at my size (I'm not aBB freak, yet...). If he can handle it try bumping him to 500mg/week of Test (I prefer he use a single ester his first time out) and get him some Nolva just in case.

 

[JKurz1]

thanks...I'll suggest 250mg for 10 weeks, 30mg of var for 6.....if his calories are 1,000 about maintence, all clean cals M-F, 3500 - 4000 cals high pro, mod fats and carbs and then the weekends are free, I'm assuming some very nice gains and hardnes will be the end result, yes?

 

[toxicsambo]

My question to you guys, so I can answer his. If he continues to eat heavy, no cardio, etc, and takes 250mg of test a week and 20mg of var, will this produce lean mass gains, maybe help him lean out a little and get stronger, pushing him over the max? Is that enough to do it? Much thanks.

That's a good story bro. As for the cycle. When I was 17 I hit the gym super fkn hard to gain back muscle after dropping a ton of weight and I kept the cardio program I used previously. I literally ran up and down the stairs in my house 100x a day which equated to 2,000 steps. I did this 5-6x a day. I hit the heavy bag for 30 min a day, and then lifted. I was down to 168 and ripped when I decided to do some test.

I ran Sustanon 250, ONE amp every 5 days for 12 weeks. No anti-e, and such. I was 17 what the fk did I know. I kept on taking thermogenics and ate nothing but lean protein of any kind and plain salads. That's it. I gained 20 lbs solid and was still ripped and getting more vascular. It worked for me. If he trains without cardio, I think he may build more fat. I don't know, everyone is different.

Since he's not as lean as he was, an Anti-E and Fat burners will help keep off fat and water. He should do cardio regardless, at least 2-3x a week. Anavar would be better if he bumped it up or took Oral-T at 40mgs ed. The main thing is the diet. If he eats big he's going to get big, and may accumualte fat.

 

[cejeff]

thanks...I'll suggest 250mg for 10 weeks, 30mg of var for 6.....if his calories are 1,000 about maintence, all clean cals M-F, 3500 - 4000 cals high pro, mod fats and carbs and then the weekends are free, I'm assuming some very nice gains and hardnes will be the end result, yes?

At his size 15-20lb is reachable on those doses. Others may disagree. But a first timer, although should use 500mg, could get away with 250mg of Test and see gains. Make sure his diet is fine tuned and he's working out intensely. I understand guys if he did use 60mg ed of Var and 500mg a week of Test he'd potentially make some freakish gains. He's new. He could actually get 20lb off this cycle with 250mg and keep his susceptibility to side effects to a minimum.

 

[JKurz1]

On a serious note, I guess more for my understanding, I was under the impression that var at a decently low dose coupled with test at a mdoerate dose with excess cals and heavy training/rest produce very optimal gains....is this true? Anyone with experience?

Would he be better off running test alone, eating above maintence and then using the var maybe with winny or eq to cut bf down the line? oR MAYBE VAR/CLEN and test/eq to start?

 

[Makavelli]

I would go with 500 mgs/wk of test for 10-12 weeks. Save the money for the anavar when he knows how to diet.

 

[JKurz1]

Thanks mac,,,,ill tell him.....I think var may be a good sub in in week 8 or so? Agree? or maybe even the first 4 weeks.......think he'll need some ldex if his cals are off the charts?

 

[Makavelli]

Thanks mac,,,,ill tell him.....I think var may be a good sub in in week 8 or so? Agree? or maybe even the first 4 weeks.......think he'll need some ldex if his cals are off the charts?

It won't hurt to add it in the last 6 weeks, but just the test is good enough for now. He'll need an AI with the test.

 

[Bruce]

jkurz why does it matter that he is black!!!!! just breakin balls homey. good story

 

[JKurz1]

just setting the scene....

 

[Bruce]

bro was totally kidding