"Pyramiding" Revisted

[resqguy]

he said statues not inflatables

Oooooooohhh...I'm so embarrassed...

 

[Anthony Roberts]

The problem with pyramiding, as I see it...is that even 100mgs of test will shut you down 100%. So when you taper from a gram to 100mgs, over a few weeks (or months), by the time you're shooting that 100mgs/week...you've recovered exactly 0% of your HPTA. Maybe it's psychologically easier and allows your body to gradually "get used" to having less test in it, but it's not going to help you recover more quickly than cold turkey+ PCT.

 

[Nelson Montana]

The problem with pyramiding, as I see it...is that even 100mgs of test will shut you down 100%. So when you taper from a gram to 100mgs, over a few weeks (or months), by the time you're shooting that 100mgs/week...you've recovered exactly 0% of your HPTA. Maybe it's psychologically easier and allows your body to gradually "get used" to having less test in it, but it's not going to help you recover more quickly than cold turkey+ PCT.

But you can also start a mild PCT at the end of the cycle. Add some natty test boosters and anti-e's. Maybe even a first administration of HCG with a follow up. Or use an LH supp at the end to get the body prepared for recovery and then use HCG. There are lots of options. At some point the body is going to be surpressed no matter what.

The one thing I disagree with, and I think it's more a matter of terminology , is that even 100mgs of T will shut you down 100%. That's a HRT dosage and I don't think if someone were on HRT and then stopped their T would be zero. That's 100% shutdown. (Although their LH might be close to zero). And duration is a factor as well. There's less suppression from a 6 week cycle than there from a 6 month cycle. It's also easier to recover from a shorter cycle. It's not like T is shut off immediatly and completely. Of course, this too is an individual thing. Not everyone reacts the same.

 

[Triple J]

well the idea of a taper or pyramid makes sense considering the overall physiological effects (both known and unknown, primary and secondary) so the body has an easier adaptation. although in the case of long ester gear it does not really matter when coming off, moreso when going on. when coming off its not so easy to tell when the long esters have cleared so I prefer a long taper using short acting gear preferably a non-aromatizing oral. that's whats best. all hail, i have spoken