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He mentioned that Rebecca is the strongest person in this forum, pound for pound. With her highest total of 1030 divided by her competition weight of 155 (which she mentioned in another post), her coefficient is 6.65....I think he's right. :)

Makes me curious. What is your coefficient? If you don't know your 1RM on the 3 lifts, then don't answer, as guesses don't count. For those of you that know, post up your best numbers and body weight, as well as your coefficient.

Mine is 6.0
 
She was actually 146.5 at the time of competition and 155 for a training bodyweight. I never meant for you to bring that out as a new thread, Spatts. :mad: :D
 
I'm just curious. I personally judge strength by coefficients, and I have never actually asked where everyone is at. Plus, we all get to brag on bigguns this way. :D
 
spatts said:
Well I will gladly do that, but let's agree on a number first. I was told she weighed in at 148.4, depleted. Does she compete in that depleted state? I'm not asking what she weighed in at, I'm asking what she COMPETED at, and she told me that she's usually about 155, depletes to just hit the weight class, and then goes some or all of the way back up..which is totally normal and expected when you're dropping water to make weight. So what is the correct number? I will change it for you.
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Hmm...wait for her to get back to you on that one. I don't think we've ever weighed in after weigh in. She usually goes about eating a normal breakfast after the official weigh in and then eats Skittles all day long. :lmao:
 
Well I will gladly do that, but let's agree on a number first. I was told she weighed in at 148.4, depleted. Does she compete in that depleted state? I'm not asking what she weighed in at, I'm asking what she COMPETED at, and she told me that she's usually about 155, depletes to just hit the weight class, and then goes some or all of the way back up..which is totally normal and expected when you're dropping water to make weight. So what is the correct number? I will change it for you.
 
thats pretty impressive

to me personally, i'm more interested in the big numbers. of course i would want to lift them at the lightest weight possible but i would rather bench 850 at 320 than 800 at 275
 
pwr_machine said:
and then eats Skittles all day long. :lmao:
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lol...good choice.

Let's say she was 148, giving benefit of doubt, and then some. That's a ratio of 6.96. So I am interested to know where others fall in comparison to her 6.6-6.96 coefficient.
 
Liftbig said:
mine is 4.88.
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I'd like to request also putting bodyweight and lifts or total. Although the coefficient may not be as impressive as some, the lifts will help serve some justice for the members of Elite like Jeremys. :)
 
Coefficient is the sum of 3 lifts divided by BW? If the lifts are squat, dead and bench I can calculate mine easily enough.
4.96

Strong butt and legs, Olive Oil upper body
Squat = 365, bench 135, dead 185, bodyweight 138
Stop me someone if I did this wrong.
 
i think mine is this:

bodyweight:265
Squat - 405
Bench - 315
Deadlift - 405

Coeffecient - 4.25

im maxing again in 3 days....... if these change, i will post them up.

X
 
Liftbig said:
ok good call mine is 4.88, at a bodyweight of 430lbs, my best lifts for this were an 865 squat, 550 bench, 685 pull, and 2100 total.

just to let you guys know how pound for pound strong spatts and bigguns are, i would have to total 2580 at my bodyweight to have a similar coefficient of 6 or higher. hows that for perspective.
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Looks like we'll just have to keep updating this thread.
 
ok good call mine is 4.88, at a bodyweight of 430lbs, my best lifts for this were an 865 squat, 550 bench, 685 pull, and 2100 total.

just to let you guys know how pound for pound strong spatts and bigguns are, i would have to total 2580 at my bodyweight to have a similar coefficient of 6 or higher. hows that for perspective.
 
spatts said:
Well I will gladly do that, but let's agree on a number first. I was told she weighed in at 148.4, depleted. Does she compete in that depleted state? I'm not asking what she weighed in at, I'm asking what she COMPETED at, and she told me that she's usually about 155, depletes to just hit the weight class, and then goes some or all of the way back up..which is totally normal and expected when you're dropping water to make weight. So what is the correct number? I will change it for you.
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I ate a good dinner the night before and didn't have to cut my water at all for that meet. I just got up and weighed in. I don't know the actual weight that I competed at, but it was a 2 hour weigh in so I couldn't have been that far off.
 
Squat: 225
Bench: 170
Dead: 315
Total: 710

At a bodyweight of 125 (at the time of each).

5.68

eeewwww, me don't like that. :(
 
IronLion said:
1815 in a t-shirt and shorts at around 310 so that is 5.8 right?
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5.9 to be precise....:D

X
 
JollyRogers said:
someone do mine

B 345
S 405
D 375
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just add those 3 numbers up and divide by your bodyweight........... thats what your coeffecient is.

X
 
JollyRogers said:
5.35 is that bad or good?
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good question....... what is the typical coeffecient of an elite powerlifter........... i know spatts is now one and her coeffecient is 6. is that average for an elite lifter???

X
 
Some of you guys are factoring in gear as well (bench shirts, suits, etc.) A lot of the people on here arn't powerlifters and their numbers are all raw, including mine. And IMO, raw is the true test of strength. Mine is at 5.3.
 
I probably shouldn't be posting, but I'm going to max in a little over a week.

I'm going for 250+200+315=765 / 260 = 2.94

This thread shows me just how far I have to go.
...chad...
 
SeanHolmz said:
Some of you guys are factoring in gear as well (bench shirts, suits, etc.) A lot of the people on here arn't powerlifters and their numbers are all raw, including mine. And IMO, raw is the true test of strength. Mine is at 5.3.
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I agree. This is biased towards powerlifters. There are people here who do not use equipment and do not keep their weight down to fit into some specific weight category.
 
SeanHolmz said:
Some of you guys are factoring in gear as well (bench shirts, suits, etc.) A lot of the people on here arn't powerlifters and their numbers are all raw, including mine. And IMO, raw is the true test of strength. Mine is at 5.3.
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This is actually a good point, We are using BW as one of the measurements to calculate the coefficient. Shouldn't gear (shirts and such) be factored in as well?



Joker
 
fine........ lets just say weather or not your total coeffecient is with or without gear.

then mine is 4.25 without gear.

X
 
JOKER47 said:


This is actually a good point, We are using BW as one of the measurements to calculate the coefficient. Shouldn't gear (shirts and such) be factored in as well?



Joker
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Well not everyone uses the shirts and stuff ..but I dont care if you use it..lol

I just want to know if my score is shit ..haha
 
JollyRogers said:



Well not everyone uses the shirts and stuff ..but I dont care if you use it..lol

I just want to know if my score is shit ..haha
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I hear ya, man. :)

But for the purpose of calculating the coefficients, since BW is a "raw"measurement, then I would think there should be some sort of "adjustment"(?) for gear...?


Joker
 
This may be ignorant but bear with me and don't get too upset, I am just asking an honest question.

For bench press specifically the math of a bw coefficient doesn't make sense. If you take a 200 pound lifter and assume that half of that weight is in his/her upper body (obviouly most are not that symetrical) then that is 100 pounds. Now a 300 pound lifter has say 150 pound upper body. The heavier lifter has only 50 extra pounds to lift with but his bench gets divided by 100 extra pounds. So the waste factor increases as the lifter gets heavier because nonessential body weight becomes greater. Therefore coefficents always favor a lighter lifter just by the math used to derive them. Am I way off in this assumption?
 
it seems logicall IL........... but then again........ most powerlifters are pressing with leg drive too.......... so do you think there is enough leg drive involved on bench to add in that extra weight.

X
 
IronLion said:
This may be ignorant but bear with me and don't get too upset, I am just asking an honest question.

For bench press specifically the math of a bw coefficient doesn't make sense. If you take a 200 pound lifter and assume that half of that weight is in his/her upper body (obviouly most are not that symetrical) then that is 100 pounds. Now a 300 pound lifter has say 150 pound upper body. The heavier lifter has only 50 extra pounds to lift with but his bench gets divided by 100 extra pounds. So the waste factor increases as the lifter gets heavier because nonessential body weight becomes greater. Therefore coefficents always favor a lighter lifter just by the math used to derive them. Am I way off in this assumption?
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you are not way off. the coefficients usually favor the lighter lifters, unless it's the schwarz (i think?)

its bullshit ;)
 
This is why someone can have a shitty bench and still have a higher co-E. By the same reasoning, someone who's weak in the squat or deadlift will be impacted more harshly than someone who has a decent squat or deadlift. I look forward to getting a kick ass squat to go with my bench for that reason. :)
 
I just finished testing my 1RMs - so I'll post. My squat and bench were both impacted by a faulty shoulder, so hopefully they'll be better in 10 weeks or so. These lifts were raw (belt on squat) and met USAPL depth/pause requirements (damn those USAPL spotter/boyfriend types):

bench: 135
squat: 235
deadlift: 315
total: 685

bodyweight: 147.6
co-e: 4.64

Thank goodness I have a decent deadlift. Lots of work to do...
 
By the same reasoning, someone who's weak in the squat or deadlift will be impacted more harshly than someone who has a decent squat or deadlift. I look forward to getting a kick ass squat to go with my bench for that reason.
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That makes sense. The reason I thought my calculation was inaccurate was because my bench and dead were so weak but my score still compared favorably to other people's. Guess its the squat skewing my score to the good.
 
For the record: lifts are w/out belt and equipment.

And man, while I'm NOT liking my numbers; I kinda like how it's making me realize the work I need to do. Looking forward to the improvements.
 
cheesecake said:
I probably shouldn't be posting, but I'm going to max in a little over a week.

I'm going for 250+200+315=765 / 260 = 2.94

This thread shows me just how far I have to go.
...chad...
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That's all about to change, right? :D
 
No equipment, no arch, no sumo style, past parallel olympic style

Bench 365
Squat 425
Deadlift 525

Bodyweight 197 Co-efficient 6.675

my squat is improving fast and so is my bench, plus my gm is going way up so wait and see in a few months
 
bump for knowing the average of the pros. Is it available or they don`t have that kind of info.

btw. I don`t know my maxes, but they`re VERY low. lol
 
There is not a direct relationship between strength and bodyweight. The Law of Diminishing Returns applys to strength therefore the coefficient will always favor the lighter lifter.

IMO powerlifting is about increasing one's squat, bench and dead. Total is the magic number. The total is applied to all lifters based on many factors such as sex, age, bodyweight, etc... to eastablish a baseline against which lifters can be judged fairly.

While I have a tremendous amount of respect for lifters that are strong compared to size (outstanding coefficients), I have more respect for huge totals. Franks, Coan, Goggins, Mimnaugh, Kellum, Ruggiera, Smith, etc... These are the monsters of powerlifting.
 
slinky said:
For the record: lifts are w/out belt and equipment.

And man, while I'm NOT liking my numbers; I kinda like how it's making me realize the work I need to do. Looking forward to the improvements.
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Yeah - we have the same problem with a large discrepency between our DL and squat; that really annoys me. I'd like to see my squat numbers closer to my DL numbers. My other issue (with myself) is the fact I'm not benching my bodyweight. That REALLY pisses me off - I think you should at least be able to bench your bw - and rep it, no less. So that's what I'm working on.

Why no belt with the squat? Just curious.
 
well, I only bench 360Lbs over my body weight...I'd rather not talk coefficient....LOL!!!
 
Hmmm...my past bests were:

Squat: 800
Bench: 431.5 (raw)
Dead: 702 (raw)
Bodyweight was 280


How do I figure that?
800+431.5+702=1933.5
Divide that by 280 = 6.905

B True
 
My USAPL spotter/boyfriend totalled 1813 @ 181 in the 2002 IPF World Championships; co-e of 10.01.

Not that I'm proud of him, or anything. What trips me out is his squat - 744 lbs. I can't even imagine that much weight on my shoulders.
 
b fold the truth said:
Hmmm...my past bests were:

Squat: 800
Bench: 431.5 (raw)
Dead: 702 (raw)
Bodyweight was 280


How do I figure that?
800+431.5+702=1933.5
Divide that by 280 = 6.905

B True
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Yep, thats right. Wow! 800 squat and 700 dead! That's really awesome; I knew you had some big numbers but man....
 
JJFigure said:
My USAPL spotter/boyfriend totalled 1813 @ 181 in the 2002 IPF World Championships; co-e of 10.01.

Not that I'm proud of him, or anything. What trips me out is his squat - 744 lbs. I can't even imagine that much weight on my shoulders.
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I'm guessing you're speaking of Robert Wagner. Excellent lifts! But can you believe he got 3rd with such a total! Those competing among him are freaks too!
 
I like the comparisons. It's cool to see both the coefficients and the weights lifted. It's even tougher to compare meet totals to out of meet totals. I'll just use Bigguns15 for example since I know her. That's her best total to date in a meet which wraps all 3 lifts up in about 3 hours. Those aren't her best lifts as it would be for a non meet total.
 
b fold the truth said:
Hmmm...my past bests were:

Squat: 800
Bench: 431.5 (raw)
Dead: 702 (raw)
Bodyweight was 280


How do I figure that?
800+431.5+702=1933.5
Divide that by 280 = 6.905

B True
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Very nice! Since those lifts are raw I think it is far to say you have the best coe of anyone on this board so far.
 
JJFigure said:
My USAPL spotter/boyfriend totalled 1813 @ 181 in the 2002 IPF World Championships; co-e of 10.01.

Not that I'm proud of him, or anything. What trips me out is his squat - 744 lbs. I can't even imagine that much weight on my shoulders.
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That's over a 4xBW squat. Simply incredible.
...chad...
 
Yep - I'm talking about Rob Wagner. :-) He's got this ATF squat that's just amazing; I don't think he's ever been red-lighted for it.

Sorry - didn't mean to digress...back to the co-es.
 
harman_2005 said:


Yep, thats right. Wow! 800 squat and 700 dead! That's really awesome; I knew you had some big numbers but man....
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They haven't been done in a meet yet...so nothing is official. The Squat was with a pair of loose briefs, loose suit, belt, and knee wraps on. Debatable if I hit dept. I guess it was close since one guy told me that I was within 1/2" and two others said I passed depth on the way down and on the way up...lol. Who knows...

B True
 
Okay, here's mine:

Squat: 325
Bench: 225
Deadlift: 425
Bodyweight: 193

Works out to 5.051813...not as bad as I thought.
 
The last time I maxed out on all lifts was in 1995. . here are the stats:

Age: 17
Bodyweight: 145lbs

Squat: 265lbs
Bench: 225lbs
Deadlift: 355lbs (A year before was within 35lbs of school record, but never broke it)

Coef: 5.81
 
OK... here is mine:

Bench: 385
Squat: 565
Deadlift:550

Weight: 220

6.818 for me.

I have a huge ass, so my squats and deads are always skewed as compared to upperbody lifts.

I don't powerlift, so none of these lifts were officially sanctioned. But in the last six months, I have hit all of these weights and I have been hovering between 215-225. I am 215 right now, so I used the 220 to be more accurate. Trust me.... the extra ten pounds of blubber around my waist wasn't helping my lifts any.
 
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I think eviscerator forgot to mention that he does 405 for close to 20 reps, after pre-exhausting his hamstrings and quads. What powerlifter that you know can do that?
 
Eviscerator is a bodybuilder too :) a strong one!

louden, you were a jacked animal even at 17. I cannot believe you never maxed out in so many years!
 
revexrevex said:
Eviscerator is a bodybuilder too :) a strong one!

louden, you were a jacked animal even at 17. I cannot believe you never maxed out in so many years!
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I never thought it was necessary.

I am interested in building a big strong physique and maxing out doesn't have to be apart of that. I can tell you this. . I will perform triples every now and then.
 
Thanks guys... but none of these lifts have come naturally... chemical assistance has played a part. I have curtailed my use of late as I have learned more about dieting properly, and getting more out of less in the gym... but let me just say... steroids work.

I wish I would have worked a few years longer armed with the dietary and training knowledge I have now, before taking the plunge.... but oh well.....

To all you 100% natural guys lifting big weight, my hats off to you. I have far more respect for your achievements than mine.
 
sinjinsmythe33 said:
bw 195, bench 290, squat 410 and deadlift 445. no belts or wraps. coefficent 5.87. lame indeed, but its north of pi!
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There nothing lame about those numbers in my opinion. Good work!!
 
Squat and deadlift numbers are a bit out of date, and the deadlift is just a guess, which defeats the purpose...

Squat - 330 (at 175)
Bench - 286 (at 175)
Deadlift - 374 x 4, so I'll guest-imate 420 (at 180)

330 / 175 = 1.89
286 / 175 = 1.63
420 / 180 = 2.33

So that makes 5.85.
 
Ive never competed in a meet. But heres the coefficient of my best gym lifts (raw). I weigh 185 and squat 405 bench 350 and deadlift 465 (gym lifts). so 6.59 is that good? thanX
 
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