Protein Overload

[KoKaTa]

Hello everyone...i have a question for u..i recently went to the doctor, for a general check up, and when asked if i have any sort of special diet i told the doctor, yes, im on a high protein diet. I specified that i take 1 gram of protein per pound, more specifically 100 grams of protein from shakes during the day, and another 100 grams of protein from food (200 grams, cuz i am 200 pounds). what he told me is that this is way too high, and that i might get kidney stones...he suggested that i cut that in half...but how am i gonna grow with this little protein in my diet??

What do u guys think?!? is it possible to hurt urself with protein?

 

[bgbay]

Of course it's possible, Esp if you don't divide the protein intake up. I heard (not sure of source) that your body can only process 40-50g of protein per like 2 or 3 hours. So I'm sure you should split it up amongst 6 meals or so. drink lots of water. I'm sure if it was a HUGE issue you would hear everyone complaining about it.

 

[JohnRambo]

Of course it's possible, Esp if you don't divide the protein intake up. I heard (not sure of source) that your body can only process 40-50g of protein per like 2 or 3 hours. So I'm sure you should split it up amongst 6 meals or so. drink lots of water. I'm sure if it was a HUGE issue you would hear everyone complaining about it.

Incorrect. This is a old theory, thats been prowed wrong many times. Your body absorbs 97% or so of all the protein you eat, no matter portion size. But you can't manipulate how much of it that ends up in your muscles. Except by damaging muscle cells through training or manipulating your hormones.

Some proteinpowders contains shity additives you don't want or need, which can make your kidneys and liver work overtime. But the protein itself is not a problem.

 

[RickO'Shea]

Hello everyone...i have a question for u..i recently went to the doctor, for a general check up, and when asked if i have any sort of special diet i told the doctor, yes, im on a high protein diet. I specified that i take 1 gram of protein per pound, more specifically 100 grams of protein from shakes during the day, and another 100 grams of protein from food (200 grams, cuz i am 200 pounds). what he told me is that this is way too high, and that i might get kidney stones...he suggested that i cut that in half...but how am i gonna grow with this little protein in my diet??

What do u guys think?!? is it possible to hurt urself with protein?

Yeah totally possible. Did it. Kidney stones are a bitch!

Here's the thing you don't need that much to increase muscle growth. There are a ton of lab studies proving that even the most conditioned athlete's protein requirements can be fulfilled with 1g per Kg of body weight.

 

[NeedMore]

Doctors need to stick with there job and dont provide diet advice.

 

[fladude]

Doctors the same people who get their patients hooked on dangerous psychotics like Ambian, Prozac and Xanex and then prescribe Oxycodone for a pulled muscle. Oh yeah and the same guys who say that AAS isn't safe to use under any circumstances. Yeah I'd trust their advice on EVERYTHING. Stop eating protein and ask your doctor about a prescription to Ambian and Prozac. After taking that for a few months, you will wonder why you ever worked out in the first place. And after your butt starts to hurt from sitting on the sofa too long you can go get some Oxycodone to kill the pain. Then you will be on the path to good health.

This post contains elements of sarcasm.

 

[HarryHarry]

The thing to remember here is the difference between natural proteins found in foods and the proteins found in shakes. Johnrambo made a good point about additives in shakes to help absorb the protein. These are the things you need to watch out for.

I think if your 200lbs and you need 100g protein from shakes then you need to look at your deit bro. Sorry. Myself personaly I can take 250g protein a day when bulking. 200 of it from good foods.

8 meals a day.

8 meals x 20g protein = 160g
2 small natural whey shakes x 20g protein (taken with before and after workout meals) = 40g
1 ceasin protein shake before bed with milk = 35g

Total = 235g protein, 70% roughly from natural foods so natural proteins.

No problems with kidneys only with the food bills lol.

Harry

 

[KoKaTa]

The thing to remember here is the difference between natural proteins found in foods and the proteins found in shakes. Johnrambo made a good point about additives in shakes to help absorb the protein. These are the things you need to watch out for.

I think if your 200lbs and you need 100g protein from shakes then you need to look at your deit bro. Sorry. Myself personaly I can take 250g protein a day when bulking. 200 of it from good foods.

8 meals a day.

8 meals x 20g protein = 160g
2 small natural whey shakes x 20g protein (taken with before and after workout meals) = 40g
1 ceasin protein shake before bed with milk = 35g

Total = 235g protein, 70% roughly from natural foods so natural proteins.

No problems with kidneys only with the food bills lol.

Harry

this is REALLY REALLY GOOD! so right now, my diet consists of 4 meals(food), and 3 meals(shakes, my last one is casein before bed)...i guess u would suggest put in 2 more meals, in the place of one of the shakes?

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

what he told me is that this is way too high, and that i might get kidney stones...he suggested that i cut that in half...but how am i gonna grow with this little protein in my diet??

Of course he told you that - he's a moron. There is no such thing as bodybuilding pharmacology and nutrition 101 in medical school. They are educated, extensively, to treat stubborn 70+ year olds who are hopelessly attempting to undo a life of bad habits and nutritional patterns (usually with a cornucopia of medications - but we can't use anabolics, because that would be naughty, right?)

The point is, their laughable hysteria is baseless and senseless in every conceivable way. They use scare tactics, catch phrases, and grow more complacent in their condition of ignorance all the while, simply dismissing the possibility that ANYTHING exists outside of their classroom derived knowledge set.

I could easily offer a multitude of example and anecdotal evidence resembling a dissertation on this subject alone, but please suffice it to say that a medical doctor advocating nutritional requirements necessitated by trained dedicated athletes is akin to allowing Michal Moore to be in charge of security at a buffet line.

 

[Roxy722]

Yeah totally possible. Did it. Kidney stones are a bitch!

Here's the thing you don't need that much to increase muscle growth. There are a ton of lab studies proving that even the most conditioned athlete's protein requirements can be fulfilled with 1g per Kg of body weight.

Hey Rick..I found your post really interesting...I've never heard the 1g/ kg of body weight before....so to convert that back to lbs would that be something like 1.6 g/ lb of body weight??

I've always read the standard rule is 1g/ lbs of lean body mass...do you think it makes a big difference? I suppose a lot of it is individual and depends on the goals as well?

 

[RickO'Shea]

I've been Rocking about .7g per 2.2lb of body weight since march. I felt great the whole time. So yeah 1.6lbm sounds about right. Now when I did the Katanadrol 6 week shred contest. I dropped even more carbs, and increased my protein to about 1g/2.2lb of bodyweight. I lost about 1-1.5% Body Fat and I went from 189 to 197lbs. I think the 1-2g per lb of bodyweight isn't going to negatively affect your kidneys like most of the guys have said, but I do believe it's completely unnecessary as far as building muscle. It's easier on my wallet and my schedule. I don't have to take as many shakes to fulfill protein requirements which is also a plus. I take two a day. 1 right when I wake up. Like 15-20g and then 1 post workout at like 30g. Everything else is just protein I consume from chicken, tuna, fish, and lean cuts of red meat (very seldomly do I eat red meat).

Roxy, give it a try. I guarantee you you can still build LBM while doing it.

 

[Roxy722]

I've been Rocking about .7g per 2.2lb of body weight since march. I felt great the whole time. So yeah 1.6lbm sounds about right. Now when I did the Katanadrol 6 week shred contest. I dropped even more carbs, and increased my protein to about 1g/2.2lb of bodyweight. I lost about 1-1.5% Body Fat and I went from 189 to 197lbs. I think the 1-2g per lb of bodyweight isn't going to negatively affect your kidneys like most of the guys have said, but I do believe it's completely unnecessary as far as building muscle. It's easier on my wallet and my schedule. I don't have to take as many shakes to fulfill protein requirements which is also a plus. I take two a day. 1 right when I wake up. Like 15-20g and then 1 post workout at like 30g. Everything else is just protein I consume from chicken, tuna, fish, and lean cuts of red meat (very seldomly do I eat red meat).

Roxy, give it a try. I guarantee you you can still build LBM while doing it.

Thanks for your post!! Your 6 week results were awesome! I actually am of similar mindset as you. I have always believed 1g/ lb of body weight is excessive and if it's going to end up in the toilet anyway...why eat that much? My math wasn't quite right (was thinking km to miles, not kg to lbs, hence the 1.6 instead of 2.21 lol). I've tried to keep mine more in the 1g/ lb lbm. I'll have to figure out what that is per lb now.

I've read some of Layne Norton's research that would support what you're saying. He combines science and bodybuilding, which is nice to see once in awhile. He published a paper recently on protein synthesis, which also suggests ideal time between meals is more in the 3-4 hour range.

 

[HarryHarry]

this is REALLY REALLY GOOD! so right now, my diet consists of 4 meals(food), and 3 meals(shakes, my last one is casein before bed)...i guess u would suggest put in 2 more meals, in the place of one of the shakes?

Exactly. The more protein you can get from foods the better. Supplements like protein shakes are there to help finish off a great diet and make it perfect. They are not there to make it for you.

sup·ple·ment
n. 1. Something added to complete a thing, make up for a deficiency, or extend or strengthen the whole.




Harry

 

[RickO'Shea]

Thanks for your post!! Your 6 week results were awesome! I actually am of similar mindset as you. I have always believed 1g/ lb of body weight is excessive and if it's going to end up in the toilet anyway...why eat that much? My math wasn't quite right (was thinking km to miles, not kg to lbs, hence the 1.6 instead of 2.21 lol). I've tried to keep mine more in the 1g/ lb lbm. I'll have to figure out what that is per lb now.

I've read some of Layne Norton's research that would support what you're saying. He combines science and bodybuilding, which is nice to see once in awhile. He published a paper recently on protein synthesis, which also suggests ideal time between meals is more in the 3-4 hour range.

I was used back in 05-06 for a study on optimal protein synthesis in elite athletes while I was playing Volleyball. I had a small piece of tissue taken out of my right quad and different times during the season while on a "normal" low-moderate protein intake. A ton of other athletes were put on high protein diets 1-1.5g per lb for the 6 month study. No difference in the rate of Lean Body mass increase, protein synthesis, and a couple of other things they tested for.

Hey thanks for that! I really didn't think they were that great but many people have said otherwise which has totally surprised me. Very appreciated though. I worked my butt off that's for sure!!!!

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

PS: Just an addendum... but anything over 2g of protein per lb of body-weight ends up manifesting diarrhea. I should also note that while on cycle, I AM able to assimilate more protein, up to 3g/lb.

 

[KenBraggofCarroltonGA]

Incorrect. This is a old theory, thats been prowed wrong many times. Your body absorbs 97% or so of all the protein you eat, no matter portion size. But you can't manipulate how much of it that ends up in your muscles. Except by damaging muscle cells through training or manipulating your hormones.

Some proteinpowders contains shity additives you don't want or need, which can make your kidneys and liver work overtime. But the protein itself is not a problem.

Not sure if I agree. I have had a few kidney stones and only drink water and tons of it throughout the day. I had been on a very high protein diet for months leading up to the first stone. The doctor noted that it wasnt just the high protein, but it was the high protein that made me highly acidic which built up deposits and if i was to continue I would need raw vegetable to balance give me more of a base intake and even out the acidity. It was my high protein intake combined with no nutritional value rich sources of real raw veges.

I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[RADAR]

since i work in the lab at the local hospital ,heres my take.Kidney stones are bundles of waste products--hard mineral collections of calcium and other materials that grow in the urinary system. Eventually, it crystallizes into a stone that causes severe pain.
Stone Types
The National Kidney Foundation indicates four primary types of kidney stones exist: struvite, calcium-oxalate, cystine and uric acid. Of the four, only uric acid stones are principally caused by excessive consumption of protein.

Uric acid stones develop when urine is especially acidic. This occurs primarily in people who indegest alot of Red meat, you can advoid this by cooking foods more and limit meats products in smaller portions,.Most kidney stones pass through the ureter and out of the body without any medical intervention. Increasing your water intake can help speed up the process. If the kidney stone does not pass on its own, blocks the flow of urine or is very large, surgery may be needed to remove the stone. It is also important to avoid eating too much protein.

Foods to Avoid
If you are prone to kidney stones, avoid eating foods that are high in purines. The foods with the highest concentrations of purine are protein sources including anchovies, sardines, liver, herring, mackerel, scallops, game meats. Other high-purine protein foods include lentils, peas, beans, beef, pork, poultry, fish and seafood.


In addition to lowering your protein intake, drinking more water throughout the course of the day can also help prevent the development of kidney stones. Increasing water intake dilutes your urine and decreases the chances of developing kidney stones. If your body does not properly remove uric acid, your doctor may also prescribe medications that reduce uric acid levels in the blood and urine and help prevent the development of kidney stones.


If you have a protein shake use water instead of milk to mix it!

 

[HarryHarry]

Great post up radar.

Harry

 

[alwayzquikwayout]

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8 meals a day.

8 meals x 20g protein = 160g
2 small natural whey shakes x 20g protein (taken with before and after workout meals) = 40g
1 ceasin protein shake before bed with milk = 35g

Total = 235g protein, 70% roughly from natural foods so natural proteins.

No problems with kidneys only with the food bills lol.

Harry[/quote]



Harryharry,, that looks like a greaat diet plan!!! i've heard also that majority should be from natural foods as opposed to protein shakes! Also heard that doctors refer to calculations made in studies of healthy individuals with "sedentary lifestyles",,, bodybuilders do require more protein, keeping in mind splitting up the intake and getting mostly from natural foods. also goes without sayin keep anitoxidant and water intake on the reg and your gd 2 go.

 

[HarryHarry]

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8 meals a day.

8 meals x 20g protein = 160g
2 small natural whey shakes x 20g protein (taken with before and after workout meals) = 40g
1 ceasin protein shake before bed with milk = 35g

Total = 235g protein, 70% roughly from natural foods so natural proteins.

No problems with kidneys only with the food bills lol.

Harry

Harryharry,, that looks like a greaat diet plan!!! i've heard also that majority should be from natural foods as opposed to protein shakes! Also heard that doctors refer to calculations made in studies of healthy individuals with "sedentary lifestyles",,, bodybuilders do require more protein, keeping in mind splitting up the intake and getting mostly from natural foods. also goes without sayin keep anitoxidant and water intake on the reg and your gd 2 go.[/quote]

Tnx mate. Agree with the "sedentary lifestyles". I belive in evolution and adaptation from the body so I like to think if I give my body more protein than it needs to begin with it wil soon learn to use it and take advantage slowly but surely. Hopefully lol.

Harry