Prostate cancer from test. ALL MUST READ!

[Stan O'Zolol]

Why would the surgeon say that anyone that uses testosterone without finasteride is a fool? Why would he not say that anyone that uses exogenous testosterone is a fool? And how can this statement be limited to testosterone, rather than anabolics in general.

If testosterone truly does or can cause prostate cancer, then finasteride, while it may reduce risk, will not eliminate it.

 

[gwl9dta4]

gwl9dta4....Testosterone injected is considered an anabolic steriod in the medical field.
DHT is the culprit dude not test per say.....although prostae cancer feeds on test. High serum DHT results ALWAYS in high prostate DHT concentrations and High DHT concentrations are known by all in the medical field to cause prostse cancer.

Yes there is a very strong family or genetic factor but prostate cancer often does occur with no familial traits

I believe what you are saying but i have read many studies in regards to various compounds eliciting anabolic responces and the doctors in the studyies always make separate refferences to anabolic steroids and testosterone. And chemically they are quite different as well.

Testosterone and estrogens are the base hormones, and anabolics are the modified forms of either one.

Please correct me if i am wrong. Need to learn sometime.



Sincerely.

 

[Realgains]

AND benign prostate hyperplasia often converts to prostate cancer.
So obviously we do not want benign hypertrophy....take the finasteride!

 

[Testoman]

this story is a bunch of crap. testosterone is causing prostate growth? b u l l s h i t ! please tell me one thing: why do young men who produce lots of test do not get prostate problems while older men whose test production has dwindled down do get prostate problems?

Testoman

 

[Realgains]

Dudes there is a strong genetic predisposition for most cancers BUT it is a proven fact that you can still get ANY cancer without this predisposition......just like you can get heart disease with NO genetic factors envolved.

And Stan o Zol.... just because the doc didn't say Anabolic Steroids in general, doesn't mean that he is not aware that other roids also raise DHT levels in the prostate. It just so happens that this poor soul with the cancer used test as a base always.....and we were talking about how test converts to DHT at the time of his statement.

 

[Stan O'Zolol]

I just don't see how we can limit this statement to testosterone. I think it gives everyone a false sense of security. All anabolic steroids bind to the androgen receptor...period (albeit, some with greater affinity than others). Not just DHT.

 

[barnes3]

The worst antagonizers of prostate hyperplasia would be the ones which either convert to DHT in high amounts,or the ones which start out with DHT as their base molecules.These include,but are not limited to:Testosterone,winstrol and primobolan...The gentlest of all anabolics in this regard would be the progestin-derivitive,nandrolone.Oxandrone also seems to be very benign in this regard.

Where do you find information like the info. above?? You always seems to have really detailed explainations for things and I was wondering if the information that you have is accessable to me or any other bro on the board??

barnes3

 

[panerai]

DHT has the strongest binding affinity to AR. A way stronger then other steroids. Also, in different steroids, binding affinity to AR is target dependent in different organs. DHT has strongest binding to AR in prostate and scalp, so this particular steroid causes most trouble in those organs.

 

[Realgains]

Testoman this is not crap!

DHT causes protate hypertrophy and not test in itself. We want to avoid hypertrophy as it often converts to cancer.

Many in the medical field think that a lot a men are walking around with a tiny amount of prostate cancer that grows very very slowly. These men end up dying of other causes,like heart disease, before the cancer grows enough to kill them. BUT IF YOU FEED THE CANCER WITH TEST IT WILL GROW LIKE MAD!

Prostse cancer grows slowly, especially in the older man, partly because of reduced serum testosterone. Prostate cancer grows quicker in the younger man because he has more test in his system. Now if you feed the cancer extra test through injection it will grow very quickly indeed.

The best treatment for slowing prostate cancer, that has left the prostate itself, is to castrate or give drugs that inhibit test production.

Older men have a weaker immune system and that is why we see more older people with cancer.

Older men have more hypertrophy than young men...this is true...but this is because DHT builds up over years and the affects of DHT are not seen right away just like a man doesn't go bald over night.

An example of a young man with prostate hypertrophy?.....take a look a gwl9dta4 statement above...while he was on D-bol!
I am not saying that he has it now but he did while on d-bol and that is not a good thing.

 

[Realgains]

Huckleberry Finnaplex.....I may be mistaken but does finasteride only reduce DHT from test, and not the other DHT converting roids?