Props to the UGDetective and synergymuscle for testing the UG labs.

[Mavy]

OK ... someone correct me if I am wrong ... but according to the tests at synergymuscle.com that have been UGotested, .. these labs have all been tested.

Dpharm
Univex
Tex Star Labs
QGL
Anabolic Pharms
Zencall Labs
Couture Labs
DRAnabolicMD / WorldWide Pharmaceuticals
GoldStar Labs

Now ... out of these labs ... there were only 3 labs who actually met or exceeded label claims. The breakdown went like this.

PASS 100% - NO FAILS (met or exceeded on every test):
Dpharm
Tex Star Labs

FAIL - (did not meet label claims or had no/wrong product)
Univex
QGL
Anabolic Pharms
Zencall Labs (1 over, 1 under)
Couture Labs
DRAnabolicMD / WorldWide Pharmaceuticals
GoldStar Labs


Basically as far as numbers go from the tests on meeting and exceeding label claims, this is the breakdown. Does anyone find anything rather interesting about this? Only 2 of the 9 labs met or exceeded claims. Is there a problem with UG labs, or the powder suppliers, or what?

Now... synergy muscle has taken soooo much heat over some of these test results. There are an extremely large amount of politics involved, but I think that they are doing a great thing here. In my opinion ... this is a great service to see which UG labs really shine through. There have been and will be "golden" labs who shine through and who have never once failed a lab test (some have been tested many times), then there are others who have never passed. When going to purchase a product are you going to by from someone who is more hit and miss ... or someone who is 100% all the time. I dont know about you guys, but I am going to go with the person who has never failed.

Now people who use these labs have came up with every excuse under the sun to blame on synergy for doing the tests. Its like they just dont want to believe them. They dont want to think that the cycle they dished out the cash on for was underdosed, and could have been "better", had it been properly dosed. Its not so much a matter of money for me, or getting ripped off by buying gear that dosent meet label claims, ... its that I want to know the concentration of my gear is accurate so that I can properly dose my cycle. Thats it. I am not overly excited by gear exceeding label claims either, especially when you dont know (remember orbit anavar). The lab that gets on the money is the golden lab imo.

I hope that synergy keeps this up, despite all the negative attention they get from providing the results from some of the tests. Many labs have been good about the tests though, and take them for what they are worth, and look into matters, everyone knows that fuck-ups happen from time to time. Hopefully this helps keep labs slightly in order more. With the new influx of labs popping up, I think that it will really make the good true hard working ones shine through, and the not so professional ones shine through as well. I hope they all eventually get tested numerous times.

Props to the folks over there, I really think that you guys are doing a good thing for the BB community and good bros, who spend their hard earned cash on UG prods, trusting these prods, to build thier physiques to the best they can.

Cheers,
Mavy

 

[needsize]

it would have been nice to see the actual results, as some of the ones that failed might have still been pretty close

 

[Mavy]

Yes ... some where fairly close, some where way off, and some didnt contain ingredient. I guess I made a fairly distinct line there, by meeting or exceeding. Anything under I listed as a fail. I agree there should be a bit of a variance, maybe +- 10mg depending on dosage is what I personally consider acceptable. Anymore, and, well there are other labs who can get their prods within that range no problems. If you want you can see the results at www.synergymuscle.com.

 

[JoBu]

I'd be more inclined to accept +/-10%. That seems a reasonable margin of error to me. So a 10mg var tab could be anywhere from 9-11mg...50mg winny tab could be 45-55mg and 200mg/ml test could be 180-220mg/ml.

Yes ... some where fairly close, some where way off, and some didnt contain ingredient. I guess I made a fairly distinct line there, by meeting or exceeding. Anything under I listed as a fail. I agree there should be a bit of a variance, maybe +- 10mg depending on dosage is what I personally consider acceptable. Anymore, and, well there are other labs who can get their prods within that range no problems.

 

[view]

it would have been nice to see the actual results, as some of the ones that failed might have still been pretty close

agreed. id also like to know if the people behind the tests had something financially to gain by making a few particular labs past and rest fail.

 

[Mavy]

They have already taken so much heat for these tests, we have all heard this already, but I think that they have a pretty good team of bros, and system set up for the testing. There is always a chance of corruption to leak into the testing protocol, but I dont expect it to happen. And .. at least they are making an effort here, no one has went out and tried to do something like this in an organised manner. Usually its just a few doods chipping in to get a product tested, or the lab themselves testing them.

 

[AAP]

It doesn't surprise me that Dpharm passed. They are excellent.

 

[Dial_tone]

Not enough info to be useful here. My understanding is that Couture labs had run out of labels at one point and made adjustments. People who ordered product A WERE TOLD their bottle would be labeled product B but it actually contained product A which they ordered. If somebody who didn't know the story got ahold of one of those mislabeled vials and tested it looking for product B (since that's what the label said) guess what happens? JA knows more about this.

 

[Mavy]

Like i said ... I know that there were arguments/doubts/flames/excuses/fights to the max on every test. I am just looking at simple facts based on the tests. Without any excuses, mixups, problems, it looks to me like dpharm would be my top choice. Even if there was a problem with their labels, or their distributors, or their powder supplier or whatever the reason may be. Those are still problems in my mind, that other labs just dont have. If my gear is labelled wrong, or ... if "my powder supplier messed up" ... well .. ya .. these are all problems ... and there are a few labs THAT DONT HAVE THESE PROBLEMS. Im sure some that didnt meet claims are still great labs. This is just one set of tests here ... but it will be interesting to see how things turn out, thats all I am saying.

Personally I dont care for hearing any excuses if I am testing my gear. Just numbers is all I want to see. For instance when I had my Orbit EQ tested, the excuse was .. "well the lab miscalculated the ester weight". Well OK ... that shows me that they are incompetant. And it makes me realise that there are labs out there who dont and have never miscalculated that. Catch my drift? Basically would rather go with a lab who has tested out on the money EVERY time (Supra comes to mind here ... many many tests, never a fail), or ones that are hit and miss?

Mavy

 

[Mavy]

In my opinion, a golden UG lab would..

1. Have high quality innovative prods.

2. All prods would be accurately dosed to meet or slightly exceed label claims (if you are planning for a fudge factor into your dosing, why not plan to make it on the plus side)

3. All prods would be consistantly accurately dosed!

4. Customer service is top notch. (this is actually becoming more and more important to me ... where before I really couldnt give a fuck!), and just good business ethics.

5. They stand behind their prods 100%. This just shows they have confidence in their prods, and that you should have no worries should you have any problems. If I owned a lab, and someone had a legit problem with my prods or service, say floaties in my gear for example, lol .. I would compensate them double .. both for the fuckup and for their troubles. But thats just me. Again .. this is just plain ol business ethics. Some have it, some dont.

6. They dont make stupid fuck ups! i.e., wrong labels, wrong calculated ester weights. These are stupid fuckups that should be unavoidable. How do you accidently double your dose of anavar in a capsule? lmfoa. Why is their EQ in your bottle of Deca? lmfao

Just the way I think of it. Some people are probably saying ... woah .. you are asking for quite a bit there. Well .. there are labs out there that do all of that. I wouldnt mind paying a slight higher price for all the above. It seems to me that dpharm has been one of the only ones to nail all of these. I have not personally ever used them, and I think that they are out of production now, and actually pharmagene now .. but I would use them first out of the whole list above. It will be interesting to see which labs really shine through with the sudden influx of new labs popping up lately.

Mavy