Prohormones: The Real Deal

[notpuff]

im wrote that because peopel dont realize andro is no 17aa the acutal substance androdiol is a steroid and does work only problem is that oral and cyclo andro dont work due to absorbtion , also no1 takes anit e's with andro so thats why it gives gyno i guarantee if you took a non 17aa dianabol with out a anti e it would give gyno only also , just a note i read a interview with dan duchaine and he stated that andro and nor andro are very very potent just they dont work with orals,cyclodextrin and that organon even looked into making a nor-andro (injectable kind of like a deca suspension) but decided it was to expensive plus they had deca out

 

[pa1ad]

I would be very curious to hear a theory explaining how one can get all of the bad side effects from 4-AD without any of the good effects.

ParDeus
www.avantlabs.com

Stack it with high dose prednisone?

 

[pa1ad]

im wrote that because peopel dont realize andro is no 17aa the acutal substance androdiol is a steroid and does work only problem is that oral and cyclo andro dont work due to absorbtion , also no1 takes anit e's with andro so thats why it gives gyno i guarantee if you took a non 17aa dianabol with out a anti e it would give gyno only also , just a note i read a interview with dan duchaine and he stated that andro and nor andro are very very potent just they dont work with orals,cyclodextrin and that organon even looked into making a nor-andro (injectable kind of like a deca suspension) but decided it was to expensive plus they had deca out

With all due respect to Dan Duchaine he did not know very much about prohormones, and what he did know he learned from other people primarily (some of which were off base).

4-AD will work by oral route, however very large dosages are necessary (1 gram or more daily). Cyclo is a very effective way of delivering small doses, but unfortunately unless you are very deficient in testosterone you need higher dosages than can be delivered by cyclo to get an effect.

BTW, testosterone is considered orally inactive, however a couple of studies have shown that this can be overcome by large dosages. The same concept can be applied to 4-AD

 

[notpuff]

why not make andro 17aa?

 

[riskybizz007]

i think that would make it illegal.... wouldn't it?

 

[notpuff]

With all due respect to Dan Duchaine he did not know very much about prohormones, and what he did know he learned from other people primarily (some of which were off base).

4-AD will work by oral route, however very large dosages are necessary (1 gram or more daily). Cyclo is a very effective way of delivering small doses, but unfortunately unless you are very deficient in testosterone you need higher dosages than can be delivered by cyclo to get an effect.

BTW, testosterone is considered orally inactive, however a couple of studies have shown that this can be overcome by large dosages. The same concept can be applied to 4-AD

i read article by duchaine saying androdiol is 95 percent as anabolic as test and is very potent he also said nor-ad is also potent and that organon looked into making it years ago as a injectable (like the 80's ) as a fast acting nandrolone suspension so i guess that isnt true

 

[pa1ad]

i read article by duchaine saying androdiol is 95 percent as anabolic as test and is very potent he also said nor-ad is also potent and that organon looked into making it years ago as a injectable (like the 80's ) as a fast acting nandrolone suspension so i guess that isnt true

Dan got that from an old study done with the rat levator ani study. He originally learned of that study from me. The rats were given the 4-AD subcutaneously and they got 95% of the levator ani growth compared to testosterone rats

I really doubt that organon ever considered making nordiol into an injectable suspension, especially in the 80's. By the 80's all new anabolic steroid efforts by pharmaceutical companies had long since ceased. How he came up with this information is a mystery to me, and it may have been completely fabricated (maybe not by him but perhaps by one of his less than truthful confidant "assistants"). Yes, some of the stuff Dan said was untrue. The man was a guru, but was certainly not infallible.

Nordiol was made into a diester and sold under the name bolandiol though. Not in this country, but in Japan.

 

[pa1ad]

i think that would make it illegal.... wouldn't it?

17methyl-4-androstenediol is not technically on the list of banned steroids. However it is clearly a synthetic steroid analog and is far from being a legit nutritional supplement. To market this would be courting trouble with the government which is not something you want to do if you want prohormones in general to remain legal. I could make this stuff in a second and sell it but I have long term goals in mind. Unfortunately other companies may be out for a quick buck and would just disregard the serious ramifications down the road. This kind of thing concerns me greatly

 

[notpuff]

so bottom line wpuld injectable andro effective

 

[pa1ad]

so bottom line wpuld injectable andro effective

what the fuck kind of question is this? sober up