Prohormones: The Real Deal

[PlexusNexus]

Hi everyone,
Looks like good forum here.. I'm a newbie.

Anyway, what's the real deal on Andro prohorones? I've seen a few posts (appear genuine not on any corporate gravy train) that say transdermals are the only way to go.

Then, there is this post from NYC boy saying it's all crap. Honestly, can someone who has used these products (Andro in cyclodextring form and in transdermal form) voice their honest opinions.. if you've used and what the results were.. and include product names.

DMSO is the way to get solutions into your body. Do these transdermal solutions cut the mustard? or is it just hype?

Can't stand the damn hyperment industry's horse shit already!!

thanks-
PlexusNexus

 

[AMP 33]

Prehormones dont work. Its plain and simple. They also give you the same side affects as steriods. Your better off just taking gear.

 

[RealDeal]

Plexus - well, I have to say that it sounds as if you've at least read up on the subject...more than most people do.

Now, I've not used transdermals...yet...but as you said, the majority of people who have used them say they DO work and have found them to produce better results than orals or even cyclodextrins.

I believe AndroSpray and 4-ADerm (by Avant Labs) have various ingredients to support transdermal absorption, and I'm sure there are difficulties involved in attempting to make your own transdermal w/DMSO. Do a search on it for more info.

Cyclodextrins can be useful, but only if used intranasally and even then they must be used extremely often (every 2-3 hours) including waking up in the middle of the night. This is the only way to keep hormone levels elevated.

Personally, I've used/am using aggressive oral doses and a few sprays of intranasal cyclodiol pre-workout and have had pretty good results at 1/2 way through my cycle. I've gained about 15 lbs in the last 6 weeks using Mass Quantities' Norabol & Andro Infusion. My gains are not from prohormones alone, but I'm 100% confident that they've certainly helped a LOT. For orals to provide results, the dosages must be high.

With all I've read, I'd suggest transdermals first, then high doses of orals unless you're committed to performing the intranasal use very often.

~ RD

 

[RealDeal]

Prehormones dont work. Its plain and simple. They also give you the same side affects as steriods. Your better off just taking gear.

That's bullshit bro. If you're going to post crap comments like this, then do us all a favor and keep your pie hole shut!

Have you tried the various delivery methods yourself? If so, you did them right, trained right, ate right and you still had no results, then maybe your body just won't respond. We're all individuals and each have different reactions and results. To say that "prohormones don't work. It's plain and simple." is telling all of us who HAVE seen results with prohormones that we're delusional and the gains we experienced never happened.

Sorry bud, but you're sorely mistaken. In the future, think before you speak.

 

[John G]

This pisses me off.

I really don't like when someone posts something to the effect that ProHormones will give you the same side effects as the real deal. Is it possible? Of Course. But chances of it happenning are alot less. What is information based on? Do you have hard evidence that points this way? No offense AMP. Don't take it personally. Its like Everyone goes by the same belief even though there has been no evidence brought foward. I happen to take 4-Diol and 19-Nor stack. They have given me great strength gains so far I am about three weeks in, and taking the recommend dosage. Then the famous "Placebo" non sense is posted. If you have information or studies that show ProHormones give the same side effects are the real shit, I would like to see it. Only then will I stop taking this stuff and do the real thing. I haven't tried the Transdermal Pro Hormones. I can tell you that the stack I am taking now is working pretty well.

 

[riskybiz007]

i've taken aggressive doses of both nordiols and androdiols. The only thing that has worked at all was the Nordiol. Did it work? Yeah i got stronger. I ate like a horse and gained 3 pounds. Total crap IMO for the money you pay for it. This is why people say "it doesn't work" i can't say anything for transdermals cuz i've never used them.

I've read plenty of studies showing testosterone spikes along w/ the evil Estrogen spikes Androdiols produce. It's b.s. how they say it wont convert to estrogen! I saw one study showing a 25% increase in testosterone and a 70% increase in ESTROGEN!!!! After reading a few studies i stopped the andros, which by the way were pricey and "didn't do shit" at least not worth the money. In this sense i back you up AMP. You get some of the side effects from some roids w/ little or no gains.

It's truely amazing how well people eat and work out intensely once they're on prohormones. Somehow everybody seems to eat better, work out harder, and go that extra mile while "on". And then say "gee i added x pounds" and say it's due to the andros. IMO that's crap.

I agree w/ you amp in your statements. You will pay maybe $70-$100 for a cycle of prohormones. You can buy some d-bol for cheaper and gain up to 25 pounds on your first time. Or use any other shit it will still be better and get double or triple the results you would from the legal andros. Why waste your money for minimal results? I'm not saying go run and take roids, i'm just agreeing w/ AMP. The side effects outweigh the benefits, and the money you pay for it is definately not worth it. Paying to increase your estrogen levels 75% doesn't sound like a great idea.

Real Deal and John G can you provide data showing people's results or studies of any kind showing actual muscle increase? Or that estrogen was not elevated? But i bet you can find a bunch of literature showing how many negative things come out of andros. This is not a flame, i'm open to discussion, and open to some facts.

I just don't want to hear another testamony about some idiot who gained 2inches on his bicep from andros. I want some proof, which in all these years i have never seen 1 paper showing actual muscle increase. You know why? Because it was already proven Andro did not increase muscle size, that study was done already (on orals).

Therefore, your gains IMO are due to the fact that you take this crap and you train harder, lift harder, diet better, and take care of yourself more while you're on. Show me something to prove me wrong.

 

[PlexusNexus]

Thanks everyone..

I'm hoping the transdermal medium works.. I did the Andro Poppers the taste (in my opinion) is just plain rancid.

But, I did notice a good workout "buzz" and could attack the iron a bit better. I'm an easy gainer.. and did notice results after the second cycle. (3 weeks on/ then off 3 weeks/then on again). I did not notice any side effects except for maybe slight amount of acne on my lower back.. (but this could be from more intense workouts and summertime..)

Anyway, I want to try the transdermals to bypass that rancid tab. I mentioned DMSO because it is an excellent vehicle for transporting solutions into the blood across the skin.

Real Deal, what is the brand you used and where can you get it?

Thanks again.

PlexusNexu
ps sorry for typo in original post.. s/b "cyclodextrine"

 

[thesuperstar]

from Uni. of Delaware and Uni. of Nebraska,
"supplemenation with norandrostendione and norandrostendiol does NOT appear to alter body composition or exercise performance."

musclemedia mag.

 

[RealDeal]

risky - Do not get me wrong. I am NOT saying prohormones work fantasically and the same for everyone. What I think is bullshit about AMP's post is the statement "Prohormones do not work." To that, I disagree. I never said they do not result in estrogen increases, or that they are worth it financially compared to prices of AS, though they are much easier to get. My whole point was there are past and present prohormone users who state that they did have gains (strength and mass) while using PH. I am one such individual.

And NO, I have not significantly changed my diet or workout routine since I started my cycle just over a month ago. I'm eating the same as I did before and my workout split is pretty much the same too, with minor modifications. My intensity level may be a bit higher in the gym, but I mainly attribute that to being pumped with the strength gains I've had since starting this cycle. When I see results, I get pumped about it...so yeah, maybe I am working a bit harder in the gym, but it wouldn't be as much so had I not had these gains.

No, I cannot offer you scientific proof and lab studies that show PH supplementation results in increased body mass because I have no researched it. I've heard info from people on both sides of the fence though. What I am talking about here is my real-world personal experience. Add to that other guys' claims of the gains they've made while on PH, and yeah, I believe that's enough to refute AMP's statement (opinion). You obviously did not see the kind of results some others have on PH, so therefore you have a bad taste in your mouth and want to agree that they "do not work." That isn't a flame either, and if they didn't do jack for me then I'd probably feel the same. My whole point is that some people have good results, some people have no results, but to say they definately do not work is incorrect, IMO.

Plexus - I am using Mass Quantities' Norabol and Andro Infusion. Click on "Supplements" at the top of your screen and you'll be taken to the web site.

 

[riskybiz007]

ok other than strength gains, would you do me a favor when you're done w/ your cycle and post your results. Considering there was no increase in calories you ate (correct)?. Not to prove you wrong or right, i just want a real world review. B/c the studies show it's just crap, so i would like to see a real world results.