ProHormones: Convince me they're worth it instead of AAS

[ConanX]

I know we have literally hundreds of ProHormone threads out there telling the benefits and making comparisons between them and real, illegal anabolic steroids...but what the hell, you guys are great so can't hurt!

I am an AAS user (admiting we have a problem if the first step! LOL) and have had GREAT experiences so far with Test, Anavar, Deca, EQ, Winni, and I planned on running some Tren and Primo and Lord knows what else before the year ends.

Now that I'm reading all of these positive reviews on Needto's products and other pro-steroids/designer steroids/pro-hormones, it seems like there is definitely something to it.

I planned on just using real AAS since they are F'in effective and if they're illegal, they gotta be good ...but now I might be having some source problems. This is making me re-think everything and consider going with a prohormone cycle. What I want to know is, coming from those who are AAS users, are these pro-hormones worth it? I'm not just talking about Needto's stuff, I'm just saying in general.

I know that the chemical makeup is similiar or sometimes identical to real AAS. I just wonder if these cycles are weaker or if maybe they are as strong as the real thing, are the side affects BAD like I've heard rumored. Some people say horrible liver damage, going totally bald, and extreme cystic acne.

So guys, try to convince me that a 4-6 week cycle of maybe some type of Tren prohormone and a superdrol or a tbol clone are safe, effective, and will make me just as happy as if I were to run the real thing.

Respect

 

[SpyWizard]

hmmm

how about

dbol but with no bloat
tren but with no bloat and easy on the liver and 1/6th the sides
masteron without the hairloss
winny without the joint pain

easy pct

and best of all

NOT A CLASS III FELONY FOR POSSESSION

 

[ConanX]

hmmm

how about

dbol but with no bloat
tren but with no bloat and easy on the liver and 1/6th the sides
masteron without the hairloss
winny without the joint pain

easy pct

and best of all

NOT A CLASS III FELONY FOR POSSESSION

It's almost like it seems to good to be true, ya know? Like, that actually sounds EXACTLY perfect. But it just seems TOO great to be realistic. When you mention the steroids Dbol, Tren, Masteron, and Winny, are the actual results very similiar or is it like 1/4 the results or maybe the same results, but you lose it all when you get off cycle?

Thanks...I really appreciate all of this.

 

[taoiron]

Outside of the fact that AAS are illegal, there is no comparison between them and PH’s… None…nada..zilch!! Anyone tells you differently they are full of shit!!!

PH have all of the risks and a fraction of the results… Steroid like results are obtained only from the real deal brotha!!

Can you make some gains with PH sure…. And prior to stepping to the dark side I used PH’s.. I am speaking from experience.

If the dark side is not where you want to go then knock yourself out, but if you want real gains Testosterone is KING!!

Taoiron
Nugga Extraordinaire

 

[SpyWizard]

to a point I agree with the above statement..

however.. not everyone on here, or other sites will ever step on stage to get their pro card..

The comments i have stated is based on my yrs of steroid use.. and the current use/review of the newer designer steroids that are currently being released..

Best so far.. dbol with no bloat.. comparing it to the dbol is not fair, dbol will make you "Hulk" strong, the designer dbol will only give you 30% increase with no bloat..

They all shut you down, however it's been my experience that PCT is much easier.. after all, using nolva and clomid and compromising your vision just isn't a good thing..

 

[Nelson Montana]

I've been anti pro-hormone ever since they came out in the 90's. But the latest stuff (such as Beastdrol) really is in a different catagory. Simply put, they are legal oral steroids. Ironically though, mg per mg, they may be more toxic than the "real" stuff. But a low dose won't kill you.

They aren't meant to be the sole substance in a cycle, nor are they meant to used long term, but as a kickstart, a "taste" for a newbie, a pre-workout boost or a "finisher" to a cycle, they have a definite and effective place. And the fact that you can get them instantly with no legal worries is a HUGE advantage.

 

[ConanX]

Thanks for the solid responses guys. Appreciate it.

 

[ConanX]

I've been anti pro-hormone ever since they came out in the 90's. But the latest stuff (such as Beastdrol) really is in a different catagory. Simply put, they are legal oral steroids. Ironically though, mg per mg, they may be more toxic than the "real" stuff. But a low dose won't kill you.

They aren't meant to be the sole substance in a cycle, nor are they meant to used long term, but as a kickstart, a "taste" for a newbie, a pre-workout boost or a "finisher" to a cycle, they have a definite and effective place. And the fact that you can get them instantly with no legal worries is a HUGE advantage.

Understood. Maybe something like a Test cycle with a Beastdrol (or similiar) kickstart and/or an oral Tren finisher may not be so bad for those who want a little more than a Test only cycle but don't want to go too crazy.

 

[1500]

Outside of the fact that AAS are illegal, there is no comparison between them and PH’s… None…nada..zilch!! Anyone tells you differently they are full of shit!!!

PH have all of the risks and a fraction of the results… Steroid like results are obtained only from the real deal brotha!!

Can you make some gains with PH sure…. And prior to stepping to the dark side I used PH’s.. I am speaking from experience.

If the dark side is not where you want to go then knock yourself out, but if you want real gains Testosterone is KING!!

Taoiron
Nugga Extraordinaire

+1, having done just about everything.

 

[taoiron]

to a point I agree with the above statement..

however.. not everyone on here, or other sites will ever step on stage to get their pro card..

The comments i have stated is based on my yrs of steroid use.. and the current use/review of the newer designer steroids that are currently being released..

Best so far.. dbol with no bloat.. comparing it to the dbol is not fair, dbol will make you "Hulk" strong, the designer dbol will only give you 30% increase with no bloat..

They all shut you down, however it's been my experience that PCT is much easier.. after all, using nolva and clomid and compromising your vision just isn't a good thing..

And I agree with you… He stated he wanted to be just as happy as if he were to run the real deal and that just won’t happen.

Again… Can he make some gains… Absolutely just not anything close to what he could make with AAS.. This is also taking for granted that his diet and training are on track!


Respect,
Tao

 

[Nelson Montana]

Understood. Maybe something like a Test cycle with a Beastdrol (or similiar) kickstart and/or an oral Tren finisher may not be so bad for those who want a little more than a Test only cycle but don't want to go too crazy.

Exactly. That actually sounds kinda nice.

These days you can get a lot more out of a small cycle. For example, if you have just 2 grams of test, (which is hardly enough for an 8 week cycle) you can add some Beast at the beginning, Tren at the end, and some UNLEASHED throughout. Throw in BIG BLAST and maybe some Dermacrine on a daily basis and all of a sudden, at the touch of a button, you have a pretty bad ass cycle which should yield some nice gains.

 

[muscleup]

I believe many of the PH/DS on the market work amazingly well IMO...However I have a feeling they will not be around much longer.

 

[2evil]

Actually, I think the Superdrol (Beastdrol) compound is in a class on it's own. It's a real AAS and is only available because it hasn't been scheduled yet. It will be interesting to see if it's available on the blackmarket once it is scheduled. I bet it will. There is no reason to think of it any differently than illegal AAS. It doesn't convert to anything. It's an oral AAS. Period...

 

[WinnyPumps]

Would Beastdrol be a good kickstart? I actually ordered some today.
What is a similar clone to Tbol? I really want to get my hands on that.

Next cycle:
1-4 Beastdrol
1-12 Test 400mg wk
1-10 Deca 300mg wk
7-13 Winny 50mg ed

 

[2evil]

Would Beastdrol be a good kickstart? I actually ordered some today.
What is a similar clone to Tbol? I really want to get my hands on that.

Next cycle:
1-4 Beastdrol
1-12 Test 400mg wk
1-10 Deca 300mg wk
7-13 Winny 50mg ed

I'm thinking it makes a better finisher - like instead of the winny in that cycle... I'm thinking of doing something like that cycle with Diesel at the front end and Beast at the back end...

 

[WinnyPumps]

I'm thinking it makes a better finisher - like instead of the winny in that cycle... I'm thinking of doing something like that cycle with Diesel at the front end and Beast at the back end...

Why not like I have it in my next cycle? You think Beastdrol is better than Winny? lol
Maybe it's me but I love me some Winny!

 

[rh0iue]

hmmm

how about

dbol but with no bloat
tren but with no bloat and easy on the liver and 1/6th the sides
masteron without the hairloss
winny without the joint pain

easy pct

and best of all

NOT A CLASS III FELONY FOR POSSESSION

i would have to disagree. there are many different PHs out there. there are a lot of bogus ones and very few good ones. to name a few: espitane, spawn, The One, Dymethazine. those are just a few of them, that have not been banned. Some phs get banned due to the harsh side effects. but for the really strong phs (some of the ones i listed) require a strong pct such as nolva or clomid. however, TRS is getting a lot of hype about it, so if you are wiery about your connection, i was would stick with that.


PM me for more info (too much to write here)

 

[2evil]

Ya, guess "Winnypumps" needs to keep the winny in the cycle lol.

 

[ConanX]

Why not like I have it in my next cycle? You think Beastdrol is better than Winny? lol
Maybe it's me but I love me some Winny!

Yeah, Winny is my life...I'd pop that shit everyday if I could

 

[dabuffguy]

First of all, you should really divide legal prohomones and legal steroids apart from eachother. They are not in the same class.

Most of the pro-hormones are crappy. There are a few that do give good results, but usually come with more side effects due to conversion inside the body. The catalysts broken down and leftovers from conversion can kick your ass.

The legal steroids such as methyldrostanolone {superdol/beastdrol} or madol [pher-plex/dieselbolan] and Epistane/Havoc are just as effective as illegal orals. They don't require conversion, and are legitamately active steroid compounds.


Seriously, if you haven't used beastdrol and doubt it is as good as illegal orals, you are mistaken. I will put up 30mg of beastdrol against any illegal oral of the same dose and beastdrol will win in terms of results given in mass and strength, if you do not count water retention (which beastdrol gives none).


And to say they aren't "the real deal" is, without malintent in saying this, pretty ignorant.


I know guys that have used the original superdrol and loved the results but would prefer illegals over it because of personal prefernce more than anything. Anyone who has used a legitmately proper dosed superdrol can't deny it's high degree of effectiveness.

 

[rh0iue]

First of all, you should really divide legal prohomones and legal steroids apart from eachother. They are not in the same class.

Most of the pro-hormones are crappy. There are a few that do give good results, but usually come with more side effects due to conversion inside the body. The catalysts broken down and leftovers from conversion can kick your ass.

The legal steroids such as methyldrostanolone {superdol/beastdrol} or madol [pher-plex/dieselbolan] and Epistane/Havoc are just as effective as illegal orals. They don't require conversion, and are legitamately active steroid compounds.


Seriously, if you haven't used beastdrol and doubt it is as good as illegal orals, you are mistaken. I will put up 30mg of beastdrol against any illegal oral of the same dose and beastdrol will win in terms of results given in mass and strength, if you do not count water retention (which beastdrol gives none).


And to say they aren't "the real deal" is, without malintent in saying this, pretty ignorant.


I know guys that have used the original superdrol and loved the results but would prefer illegals over it because of personal prefernce more than anything. Anyone who has used a legitmately proper dosed superdrol can't deny it's high degree of effectiveness.

agreed. only flaw with phs are there all oral (except for primordial performance new creations) which is bad news for your liver. i have gotten tremendous gains off of these cycle, which also last at usual 4 weeks instead of 10/12 weeks.

i believe from my own experience that the second time trying the same product is a waste, i tried spawn (stack of tren and esp) gained and kept 15lbs, second time around gained 5 which i almost lost :/ sooo...with AAS you can do the same cycle and still expect the same gains. however, i have yet to run an AAS cycle so im just guessin?? lmao

 

[needtogetaas]

I know we have literally hundreds of ProHormone threads out there telling the benefits and making comparisons between them and real, illegal anabolic steroids...but what the hell, you guys are great so can't hurt!

I am an AAS user (admiting we have a problem if the first step! LOL) and have had GREAT experiences so far with Test, Anavar, Deca, EQ, Winni, and I planned on running some Tren and Primo and Lord knows what else before the year ends.

Now that I'm reading all of these positive reviews on Needto's products and other pro-steroids/designer steroids/pro-hormones, it seems like there is definitely something to it.

I planned on just using real AAS since they are F'in effective and if they're illegal, they gotta be good ...but now I might be having some source problems. This is making me re-think everything and consider going with a prohormone cycle. What I want to know is, coming from those who are AAS users, are these pro-hormones worth it? I'm not just talking about Needto's stuff, I'm just saying in general.

I know that the chemical makeup is similiar or sometimes identical to real AAS. I just wonder if these cycles are weaker or if maybe they are as strong as the real thing, are the side affects BAD like I've heard rumored. Some people say horrible liver damage, going totally bald, and extreme cystic acne.

So guys, try to convince me that a 4-6 week cycle of maybe some type of Tren prohormone and a superdrol or a tbol clone are safe, effective, and will make me just as happy as if I were to run the real thing.

Respect

How about this. I will put my beastdrol up against any oral steroid there is. MG for MG beastdrol will mop the floor with them all in terms of gains.

That is why

 

[needtogetaas]

Outside of the fact that AAS are illegal, there is no comparison between them and PH’s… None…nada..zilch!! Anyone tells you differently they are full of shit!!!

PH have all of the risks and a fraction of the results… Steroid like results are obtained only from the real deal brotha!!

Can you make some gains with PH sure…. And prior to stepping to the dark side I used PH’s.. I am speaking from experience.

If the dark side is not where you want to go then knock yourself out, but if you want real gains Testosterone is KING!!

Taoiron
Nugga Extraordinaire

I am not full of shit. You are just dumb.


Thank you very much.

 

[dabuffguy]

agreed. only flaw with phs are there all oral (except for primordial performance new creations) which is bad news for your liver. i have gotten tremendous gains off of these cycle, which also last at usual 4 weeks instead of 10/12 weeks.

i believe from my own experience that the second time trying the same product is a waste, i tried spawn (stack of tren and esp) gained and kept 15lbs, second time around gained 5 which i almost lost :/ sooo...with AAS you can do the same cycle and still expect the same gains. however, i have yet to run an AAS cycle so im just guessin?? lmao

You could have gained more your second time. I am guessing, but your diet remained the same. I am doubting you added a lot more calories to your diet and sustained that amount to hold the mass on. That is required to get bigger each time, ya know.

Guys will gain a lot, and still remain eating the same amount and they wonder why progress comes to a hault or slows a lot. It's because your body needs further caloric intake if it is going to get bigger.


The entire notion of using any anabolic twice giving a lesser effect as a result of repetition is a myth. The bigger you get, the slower you gain. The bigger you get, the more calories you need.

If your diet is 4000 calories and you can't gain past 210lbs with it, all the steroids in the world aren't going to help you out. But move that 4000 calories to 4500 and bam, you are going to gain mass comparatively easy. Move it to 5000, and you will gain even more weight, but it may be a bit sloppy for a while. Over time your body just wants to eat that much and you are eating 25% more calories, and 25% more is a ton of potential for mass.

It's all in the diet bro. Not what anabolic you use.

 

[needtogetaas]

Would Beastdrol be a good kickstart? I actually ordered some today.
What is a similar clone to Tbol? I really want to get my hands on that.

Next cycle:
1-4 Beastdrol
1-12 Test 400mg wk
1-10 Deca 300mg wk
7-13 Winny 50mg ed

4-clor and I will have some in about 2 weeks tops. And it will be bad ass.

 

[needtogetaas]

i would have to disagree. there are many different PHs out there. there are a lot of bogus ones and very few good ones. to name a few: espitane, spawn, The One, Dymethazine. those are just a few of them, that have not been banned. Some phs get banned due to the harsh side effects. but for the really strong phs (some of the ones i listed) require a strong pct such as nolva or clomid. however, TRS is getting a lot of hype about it, so if you are wiery about your connection, i was would stick with that.


PM me for more info (too much to write here)

hmmm. Going to have to keep an eye on you...

 

[dabuffguy]

hmmm. Going to have to keep an eye on you...

Everytime he replies he always says "Pm me for more information".

Just type it on the forum so everyone can see your information bro. It's welcome.

 

[ConanX]

4-clor and I will have some in about 2 weeks tops. And it will be bad ass.

I'll be checkin' that out bro

 

[SouthernLord]

You could have gained more your second time. I am guessing, but your diet remained the same. I am doubting you added a lot more calories to your diet and sustained that amount to hold the mass on. That is required to get bigger each time, ya know.

Guys will gain a lot, and still remain eating the same amount and they wonder why progress comes to a hault or slows a lot. It's because your body needs further caloric intake if it is going to get bigger.


The entire notion of using any anabolic twice giving a lesser effect as a result of repetition is a myth. The bigger you get, the slower you gain. The bigger you get, the more calories you need.

If your diet is 4000 calories and you can't gain past 210lbs with it, all the steroids in the world aren't going to help you out. But move that 4000 calories to 4500 and bam, you are going to gain mass comparatively easy. Move it to 5000, and you will gain even more weight, but it may be a bit sloppy for a while. Over time your body just wants to eat that much and you are eating 25% more calories, and 25% more is a ton of potential for mass.

It's all in the diet bro. Not what anabolic you use.

This is the truth.

My mindset about these DS/PH is different than most guys here. I feel less is more when it comes to these drugs. I would rather pound my face with 4500-5000 clean calories while taking a low dose. Less sides, comparable gains (to the mega-dosers), easier recovery, and twice as many cycles per bottle

 

[WinnyPumps]

4-clor and I will have some in about 2 weeks tops. And it will be bad ass.

Well I was gonna get 2 bottles of Beastdrol. I'm ordering ahead for my next kickstart, so I don't have to get it now. In your opinion should I kickstart with Beastdrol or this 4-clor coming out in a few weeks?

 

[needtogetaas]

Everytime he replies he always says "Pm me for more information".

Just type it on the forum so everyone can see your information bro. It's welcome.

It stinks of undercover salesmen. HMMM time for some test pm's from alter accounts

 

[rh0iue]

You could have gained more your second time. I am guessing, but your diet remained the same. I am doubting you added a lot more calories to your diet and sustained that amount to hold the mass on. That is required to get bigger each time, ya know.

Guys will gain a lot, and still remain eating the same amount and they wonder why progress comes to a hault or slows a lot. It's because your body needs further caloric intake if it is going to get bigger.


The entire notion of using any anabolic twice giving a lesser effect as a result of repetition is a myth. The bigger you get, the slower you gain. The bigger you get, the more calories you need.

If your diet is 4000 calories and you can't gain past 210lbs with it, all the steroids in the world aren't going to help you out. But move that 4000 calories to 4500 and bam, you are going to gain mass comparatively easy. Move it to 5000, and you will gain even more weight, but it may be a bit sloppy for a while. Over time your body just wants to eat that much and you are eating 25% more calories, and 25% more is a ton of potential for mass.

It's all in the diet bro. Not what anabolic you use.

haha wow...u totally hit the spot on that one, i never thought of that...thanx

 

[rh0iue]

hmmm. Going to have to keep an eye on you...

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hahaha wait....watttt??!?!?!?

wat did i do?? idk if keeping an eye on me is good or not lol...

anyways, the only reason i keep saying PM me is bc a long time ago i was banned from this other forum (not such a popular forum at the time). i was banned bc i would say for example "if you want more info on pro-hormones. check out anabolicminds.com/forum ) and ever since then i have been wiery posting other forums links up :/


sorry for the misinterpretation

 

[needtogetaas]

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hahaha wait....watttt??!?!?!?

wat did i do?? idk if keeping an eye on me is good or not lol...

anyways, the only reason i keep saying PM me is bc a long time ago i was banned from this other forum (not such a popular forum at the time). i was banned bc i would say for example "if you want more info on pro-hormones. check out needtobuildmuscle.com )forum and ever since then I have been wiery posting other forums links up :/


sorry for the misinterpretation

And telling people this in a pm will get you banned to bro. You will get caught on this site. Because everyone is friends here. So if you send a pm telling some one to go to another site. Sooner or later they are going to forward that to a mod and you are going to get banned.

I should ban you right now but at least you are honest about it. BTW I edited your link out.



You should learn to respect the house you are standing in man. We do not have members ( or i would not condone it) going over to other forums and telling members to come here. I would not do it on another forum and I would hope people from that forum would do the same.


Its called equal respect for each others forums. Ya just don't do that. At least not all the damn time anyway. Not to the point where you become a rep for another forum. And with all the (send me a pm) talk you are starting to look like one.


So all I am asking is that you become a part of this family well you are here. Help out the people here and not try and send them some place else.

Thanks man.

 

[rh0iue]

sorry about that bro...btw...didnt i PM you a while back when i started, and you said it was ok?

ohwell....IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN

 

[mr.nitro]

ive never responded well to orals. ive done 100mg d-bol per day and got very little out of it. same with 80mg anavar. but toss a little injectable test or deca and its a whole nother story.

so that being said, all pro hormones are oral, so I say no thanks.

 

[taoiron]

I am not full of shit. You are just dumb.


Thank you very much.

Dumb…. Nope.. Far from it. Realist, yes... Highly educated… Absolutely….

If all you are trying to do is measure the effectiveness of an over the counter supplement verse an oral AAS for a period of 4-6weeks and that is the only compound you will take I still would choose an AAS over a PH any day.

Brotha if PH’s were the shit then the pros and national competitors would be utilizing them and I am here to tell you they are not….

If a guy wants to stay within the confines of the law and only use an orals PH for 4-6 weeks at a time they can look forward to the 5-8 pounds of water weight and insignificant muscle gain that they may or may not be able to maintain.

I can see how using a PH (though only a select few) in place of an AAS in conjunction with injectables may fair OK… But if you are going to use the real deal you may as well do it across the board!

My 2ml…

Respect,
Tao

 

[ConanX]

If a guy wants to stay within the confines of the law and only use an orals PH for 4-6 weeks at a time they can look forward to the 5-8 pounds of water weight and insignificant muscle gain that they may or may not be able to maintain.

That pretty much blows. What PH/legal-steroids have you used?

 

[taoiron]

That pretty much blows. What PH/legal-steroids have you used?

My experience with PH was back in the day prior to the first ban… In the day of M1T and even as far back as the Original “Hot Stuff”…. I used it all brotha!!! I cycled with them for about 3 years.. I was pissed as hell after I stepped to the dark side and learned that 500mg of Test E gave a brotha significantly more gains than several PH compounds stacked together….

The other troubling thing about PH’s in general is MOST do nothing in regards to recommending or providing PCT.. They just tell ya to take these pills and it will raise your Test levels and you will be HUGE… Got to love marketing……. The poor guy using them ends up shut down and wondering why he didn’t maintain his “gains”

Tao

 

[ConanX]

My experience with PH was back in the day prior to the first ban… In the day of M1T and even as far back as the Original “Hot Stuff”…. I used it all brotha!!! I cycled with them for about 3 years.. I was pissed as hell after I stepped to the dark side and learned that 500mg of Test E gave a brotha significantly more gains than several PH compounds stacked together….

The other troubling thing about PH’s in general is MOST do nothing in regards to recommending or providing PCT.. They just tell ya to take these pills and it will raise your Test levels and you will be HUGE… Got to love marketing……. The poor guy using them ends up shut down and wondering why he didn’t maintain his “gains”

Tao

Word bro...

I'm gonna try out some of this superdrol stuff later this summer since my source has crashed. I figured if it's basically oral Masteron, it's gotta be good! And yeah, Test is def numero uno in my book.

 

[dabuffguy]

My experience with PH was back in the day prior to the first ban… In the day of M1T and even as far back as the Original “Hot Stuff”…. I used it all brotha!!! I cycled with them for about 3 years.. I was pissed as hell after I stepped to the dark side and learned that 500mg of Test E gave a brotha significantly more gains than several PH compounds stacked together….

The other troubling thing about PH’s in general is MOST do nothing in regards to recommending or providing PCT.. They just tell ya to take these pills and it will raise your Test levels and you will be HUGE… Got to love marketing……. The poor guy using them ends up shut down and wondering why he didn’t maintain his “gains”

Tao

Therein lies the problem. Not using PCT.

If all you are trying to do is measure the effectiveness of an over the counter supplement verse an oral AAS for a period of 4-6weeks and that is the only compound you will take I still would choose an AAS over a PH any day.

Since some of them are actually oral AAS, and not a PH, they DO provide the gains.

Like I said in my earlier post in this thread, saying that some of these aren't "the real deal" is truly ignorant, because they are very much so in every sense of the word, a legitimate anabolic steroid, and not a Pro-hormone. There's a big difference and the gains also are a big difference.

 

[taoiron]

Therein lies the problem. Not using PCT.




Since some of them are actually oral AAS, and not a PH, they DO provide the gains.

some of these aren't "the real deal" is truly ignorant, because they are very much so in every sense of the word, a legitimate anabolic steroid.

Please give me an example of one that is a true AAS… Are they still bug and plant hormones or synthetic forms of the hormone?

 

[dabuffguy]

Please give me an example of one that is a true AAS… Are they still bug and plant hormones or synthetic forms of the hormone?

I have explained this in lots of threads, but I will do it again.


Take beastdrol for example(superdrol).



What is Beastdrol?


Beastdrol is a true a anabolic steroid. It originally hit the market known as Superdrol, which has been discontinued due to pressure from the FDA. It is NOT a pro-hormone. It is a derivate of dihydrotestosterone. More specifically, it is a methylated version (for oral bioavailability) of the anabolic steroid Masteron.

Here is the chemical structure of Masteron:

2 alpha, methyl-17B-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one


Beastdrol

2 alpha, 17a-Dimethyl-17B-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one


Clearly, the only difference here is the 17a-methyl addition to the structure to make it orally bio-available.


Equally, if you apply that same 17aa to Equipoise (EQ), you get DBOL:


Equipoise 17 beta hydroxy-1,4-androstadiene-3-one

Dbol...... 17 beta-hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-1,4-androstadiene-3-one






So, very clearly, Beastdrol shares the exact same relationship to masteron that Dbol does to EQ. It also can be viewed as a 2-hydroxy reduced form of Anadrol.


There is no way to ever consider this anything but a legitimate methylated oral aas.


Also, a PH requires conversion to an active compound inside the body with interaction from a catalyst. Conversions result in low amounts of active compounds, more side effects and less results.


Steroids do not require conversion because they are already active compounds, produce real big results and side effects are typical depending on whether it is a test, nandro or DHT derivative.



Hope this clears that up.

 

[taoiron]

I have explained this in lots of threads, but I will do it again.


Take beastdrol for example(superdrol).



What is Beastdrol?


Beastdrol is a true a anabolic steroid. It originally hit the market known as Superdrol, which has been discontinued due to pressure from the FDA. It is NOT a pro-hormone. It is a derivate of dihydrotestosterone. More specifically, it is a methylated version (for oral bioavailability) of the anabolic steroid Masteron.

Here is the chemical structure of Masteron:

2 alpha, methyl-17B-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one


Beastdrol

2 alpha, 17a-Dimethyl-17B-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one


Clearly, the only difference here is the 17a-methyl addition to the structure to make it orally bio-available.


Equally, if you apply that same 17aa to Equipoise (EQ), you get DBOL:


Equipoise 17 beta hydroxy-1,4-androstadiene-3-one

Dbol...... 17 beta-hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-1,4-androstadiene-3-one






So, very clearly, Beastdrol shares the exact same relationship to masteron that Dbol does to EQ. It also can be viewed as a 2-hydroxy reduced form of Anadrol.


There is no way to ever consider this anything but a legitimate methylated oral aas.


Also, a PH requires conversion to an active compound inside the body with interaction from a catalyst. Conversions result in low amounts of active compounds, more side effects and less results.


Steroids do not require conversion because they are already active compounds, produce real big results and side effects are typical depending on whether it is a test, nandro or DHT derivative.



Hope this clears that up.

It does... Thanks for the info.

Respect,

Tao

 

[mavox]

i hear 1 t-tren does the job after a few weeks

 

[dabuffguy]

It does... Thanks for the info.

Respect,

Tao

In regards to your comment about bug or plant hormones, I assume you are referring to the hormone ecdysterone that came out a few years ago that was "promising".

That stuff has never been proven to do anything. I am not convinced in the least it has any effect. Some studies suggest it has absolutely zero effect on human anabolism. Garbage if you ask me.

 

[Nelson Montana]

In regards to your comment about bug or plant hormones, I assume you are referring to the hormone ecdysterone that came out a few years ago that was "promising".

That stuff has never been proven to do anything. I am not convinced in the least it has any effect. Some studies suggest it has absolutely zero effect on human anabolism. Garbage if you ask me.

That stuff has been around since the 80's. It resurfaces every now and then and I don;t know why. Nice idea, but it's absolutely worthless.

 

[WinnyPumps]

I nkow the gains are dry compared to dbol which is great!
Realistically how are the strength gains compared to dbol??

 

[dabuffguy]

I nkow the gains are dry compared to dbol which is great!
Realistically how are the strength gains compared to dbol??

I get better strength than dbol with the beast, but I get more strength with anadrol than with the beast.

I used the good old green BD 50mg and there is nothing that compares in terms of brute power.

 

[WinnyPumps]

I get better strength than dbol with the beast, but I get more strength with anadrol than with the beast.

I used the good old green BD 50mg and there is nothing that compares in terms of brute power.

I'm pretty pumped about it but won't be starting for a while unfortunately. Probably 6-8 weeks or maybe a little less.
How many pills should I take a day. It's says 3 but can I do 4??

 

[dabuffguy]

That stuff has been around since the 80's. It resurfaces every now and then and I don;t know why. Nice idea, but it's absolutely worthless.

Lol, I was born in the 80's.

 

[dabuffguy]

I'm pretty pumped about it but won't be starting for a while unfortunately. Probably 6-8 weeks or maybe a little less.
How many pills should I take a day. It's says 3 but can I do 4??

I do 4.

 

[milo hobgoblin]

Outside of the fact that AAS are illegal, there is no comparison between them and PH’s… None…nada..zilch!! Anyone tells you differently they are full of shit!!!

PH have all of the risks and a fraction of the results… Steroid like results are obtained only from the real deal brotha!!

Can you make some gains with PH sure…. And prior to stepping to the dark side I used PH’s.. I am speaking from experience.

If the dark side is not where you want to go then knock yourself out, but if you want real gains Testosterone is KING!!

Taoiron
Nugga Extraordinaire

THIS.. good post BTW




If you need someone to explain to you the differences in results you'll obtain from real steroids vs prohormones,... you havnt done nearly enough research to be touching the stuff.

 

[ConanX]

I'm pretty pumped about it but won't be starting for a while unfortunately. Probably 6-8 weeks or maybe a little less.
How many pills should I take a day. It's says 3 but can I do 4??

I gotta wait like another 2 months bro. And it's funny, I planned on 4 as well! haha...and maybe see how 5 weeks on that does, followed by 5 weeks of Var. I'll also see what's up with Needto's new 4-cloro (I think) product.

 

[WinnyPumps]

I gotta wait like another 2 months bro. And it's funny, I planned on 4 as well! haha...and maybe see how 5 weeks on that does, followed by 5 weeks of Var. I'll also see what's up with Needto's new 4-cloro (I think) product.

You just finished a cycle too right? You've been off and on for a few cycles now huh? Hows the progress and how has pct been? What is your next going to be? I'm holding my Var until I get more. I'm gonna run Winny!
1-10 Test 400mg wk (Mon/Thurs)
1-4 Beastdrol
6-12 Winny 50mg ed
Possibly Deca since Beast & Winny dries you out.
I don't see how that 4-cloro can be any better or more beneficial than Beast which gives lean dry gains with good strength. Maybe less sides though.

 

[dabuffguy]

You just finished a cycle too right? You've been off and on for a few cycles now huh? Hows the progress and how has pct been? What is your next going to be? I'm holding my Var until I get more. I'm gonna run Winny!
1-10 Test 400mg wk (Mon/Thurs)
1-4 Beastdrol
6-12 Winny 50mg ed
Possibly Deca since Beast & Winny dries you out.
I don't see how that 4-cloro can be any better or more beneficial than Beast which gives lean dry gains with good strength. Maybe less sides though.

The 4-chloro is more mild with sides, but does require a higher dose than beast for great results. 50mg is a starting point. For a bro like you that will have done quite a few runs, I suggest 100mg. 100mg of 4 chloro will be nice. It really compares to tbol IMO, though requiring a little higher of a dose. But even at 100mg It won't quite be comparable to 30-40mg of beastdrol in terms of strength gains.

The one thing about beastdrol is it's highly anabolic porperties for a DHT. It's anabolic rating is nearly that of tren/fina, but it's androgenic rating is actually lower than testosterone.

 

[WinnyPumps]

The 4-chloro is more mild with sides, but does require a higher dose than beast for great results. 50mg is a starting point. For a bro like you that will have done quite a few runs, I suggest 100mg. 100mg of 4 chloro will be nice. It really compares to tbol IMO, though requiring a little higher of a dose. But even at 100mg It won't quite be comparable to 30-40mg of beastdrol in terms of strength gains.

The one thing about beastdrol is it's highly anabolic porperties for a DHT. It's anabolic rating is nearly that of tren/fina, but it's androgenic rating is actually lower than testosterone.

Yea that's what I figured. I already decided on Beast for next cycle. Is a 6 week run overkill or is it worth it rather than 4 weeks for a kickstart?

 

[dabuffguy]

Yea that's what I figured. I already decided on Beast for next cycle. Is a 6 week run overkill or is it worth it rather than 4 weeks for a kickstart?

I think if you kicked with beast and topped it off with winny like you have it laid out in your post, that is good. You could go with Beast for 6, but then I would not start winny until week 8-12. Definitely do not run these back to back without a break.

 

[ConanX]

You just finished a cycle too right? You've been off and on for a few cycles now huh? Hows the progress and how has pct been? What is your next going to be? I'm holding my Var until I get more. I'm gonna run Winny!
1-10 Test 400mg wk (Mon/Thurs)
1-4 Beastdrol
6-12 Winny 50mg ed
Possibly Deca since Beast & Winny dries you out.
I don't see how that 4-cloro can be any better or more beneficial than Beast which gives lean dry gains with good strength. Maybe less sides though.

Yeah, I was gonna run a monster cycle but my source fell through. I've been using mexican shit and for me to go to another source, I am just kind of getting worried that I'll get bunk gear or that it's a setup (call me paranoid I guess)...

So I am just going to stick with some legal stuff until I get the hookup. I still got some test, eq, winny, and var left over for another cycle.

Progress has been great. Big, shredded, freaky vascular. Loving it (test, eq, winny).

I'm thinking of going on an oral only cycle in August starting with one of Needto's products, probably Beastdrol, and then finishing it with some Var.

 

[2evil]

Watch your like profile bro. Not saying don't do it just get it checked out in between orals....

 

[dabuffguy]

Watch your like profile bro. Not saying don't do it just get it checked out in between orals....

This is a good idea.

I really would suggest doing 1-4 and 8-12 with the orals. There's no reason to push it more than that. Orals act and show results pretty much immediately.

 

[needtogetaas]

Watch your like profile bro. Not saying don't do it just get it checked out in between orals....

Always

 

[WinnyPumps]

This is a good idea.

I really would suggest doing 1-4 and 8-12 with the orals. There's no reason to push it more than that. Orals act and show results pretty much immediately.

Will do. The extra 2 weeks and wouldn't be worth it, people like myself need to learn moderation and I will get good results anyways. Plus I will give my liver a break for a few weeks in between orals and maybe the cycle won't mess with my lipids as bad. Lean solid gains baby!
1-10 Test 400 (Mon/Thurs)
1-4 Beastdrol 40mg ed
7-12 Winni 50mg ed
Lipid stable, Liv52, Fish oils, primrose oil, Cissus

Pct- hcg, Sustain, adex, toco-8, Unleashed

 

[abomb555]

Will do. The extra 2 weeks and wouldn't be worth it, people like myself need to learn moderation and I will get good results anyways. Plus I will give my liver a break for a few weeks in between orals and maybe the cycle won't mess with my lipids as bad. Lean solid gains baby!
1-10 Test 400 (Mon/Thurs)
1-4 Beastdrol 40mg ed
7-12 Winni 50mg ed
Lipid stable, Liv52, Fish oils, primrose oil, Cissus

Pct- hcg, Sustain, adex, toco-8, Unleashed

i agree bro i only went the 4weeks and everone noticed the differance i though obout 6 weeks but i agree moderation is also somthing i need to practice lol
i did for caps ed......for the firs two weeks got some pretty hbp and headaches so ill prolly to do a cool 3 caps ed next time concidering i already know they fuckin rock

 

[WinnyPumps]

i agree bro i only went the 4weeks and everone noticed the differance i though obout 6 weeks but i agree moderation is also somthing i need to practice lol
i did for caps ed......for the firs two weeks got some pretty hbp and headaches so ill prolly to do a cool 3 caps ed next time concidering i already know they fuckin rock

So four was too much you think?
If I work out at around 5pm everyday how should I be dosing the Beast?

 

[Para_Shoot]

I don't believe in beastdrol or dieselwhatever. I'd rather experiment with all the newer research injectable peptide chems out there. I'm in the mindset that if it doesn't require a prescription and it doesn't fit into my syringe, forget it. Thats just me. But then again.. GNC used to sell GHB, and it was legal then it got banned. So maybe "when", and "IF" these "Pro-Hormones" get banned, then I will give them a second look.

 

[WinnyPumps]

I don't believe in beastdrol or dieselwhatever. I'd rather experiment with all the newer research injectable peptide chems out there. I'm in the mindset that if it doesn't require a prescription and it doesn't fit into my syringe, forget it. Thats just me. But then again.. GNC used to sell GHB, and it was legal then it got banned. So maybe "when", and "IF" these "Pro-Hormones" get banned, then I will give them a second look.

So your saying Beastdrol is not effective? It was my understanding that Beastdrol is a Superdrol clone which got banned a while ago. They seem to be the exact same chemical profile as each other. Once I take it I will be giving my honest results and feelings about it.

 

[abomb555]

So your saying Beastdrol is not effective? It was my understanding that Beastdrol is a Superdrol clone which got banned a while ago. They seem to be the exact same chemical profile as each other. Once I take it I will be giving my honest results and feelings about it.

LOL nevermind that!!! do you know how many people would start eating and smoking poppyseeds if they found out they were banned!! ROFLOL!!!! anyway yeah i think 4 ed might have been overkill idk...this time around im gonna do one in the morning one at lunch and one at 4! to try and avoid being up all night with hbp and headaches....every one else seems to get good results ant 3 ed

 

[dabuffguy]

I don't believe in beastdrol or dieselwhatever. I'd rather experiment with all the newer research injectable peptide chems out there. I'm in the mindset that if it doesn't require a prescription and it doesn't fit into my syringe, forget it. Thats just me. But then again.. GNC used to sell GHB, and it was legal then it got banned. So maybe "when", and "IF" these "Pro-Hormones" get banned, then I will give them a second look.

Some of then are ALREADY on the ban list that has not been put into effect. Once they are banned, I doubt UG will carry any of them besides what is in Beastdrol because it is the strongest stuff you can get your hands on. And, these are NOT pro-hormones. Again, calling beastdrol and dieselbolan prohormones is like calling Anadrol a pro-hormone. They aren't prohormones.

You say you don't believe in them, but it appears that you have not even tried them. That makes a whole lot of sense.

And since I know for a fact that these work just as good as illegal oral aas, your "opinion" really doesn't matter when there are numerous reports on this site and tons of other site reporting amazing gains from these compounds.

You'd rather experiment with research peptides than with steroids that have existed since the 1960's? That also doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

[WinnyPumps]

Whatever, I have 2 bottles on the way! I will let you know how good the Beast is as a kickstart after I get jacked!

 

[abomb555]

Whatever, I have 2 bottles on the way! I will let you know how good the Beast is as a kickstart after I get jacked!

rock on bro! i just orderd dieselbolan for me and katanadrol for my brother!!! havent tried them yet but if there any bit as good as beastdrol i'll be lovin it!!

 

[WinnyPumps]

rock on bro! i just orderd dieselbolan for me and katanadrol for my brother!!! havent tried them yet but if there any bit as good as beastdrol i'll be lovin it!!

Lol you are a strong advocate of the Beast!
How much weight you put on?
Strength gains?
Sides?
How did you feel everyday? Lethargic, great, energetic, endurance?

 

[needtogetaas]

Lol you are a strong advocate of the Beast!
How much weight you put on?
Strength gains?
Sides?
How did you feel everyday? Lethargic, great, energetic, endurance?

You are in for a ride bro.

 

[WinnyPumps]

You are in for a ride bro.

Are sides any more with 40mg compared to 30mg??

 

[needtogetaas]

Are sides any more with 40mg compared to 30mg??

Bro I never went over 20mg ed and that was plenty for me.

Some will say no and some will say yes. If you used forged liver support and krill oil I would day no.

 

[dabuffguy]

Are sides any more with 40mg compared to 30mg??

For me, I do not experience more sides with 40 over 30. I tried moving to 50 just to see. Not for me. I started experiencing lethargy pretty bad. I dropped back to 40mg and no problems.

30 mg really is plenty for just about anyone.

 

[abomb555]

Lol you are a strong advocate of the Beast!
How much weight you put on?
Strength gains?
Sides?
How did you feel everyday? Lethargic, great, energetic, endurance?

to be honest i didnt expect them to be real (sorry needto) lol so i didnt bother to pay attention to gains added in the four weeks untill to late when i noticed was i felt like a beast and had to use alot a self controle not to just work out all day on my arms every day lol

the strenght increase is nuts! in my 3 years i nevery did dumbel flys cuz they suck so is was only at 60 lbs and 10 reps ...for th hell of it i had a buddy spot me to see if i could do 90lbs...i was fucking shocked when i busted out 6 reps!!! that was impossable for me 3 weeks prior no lie

only sides i had were throbbingly high blood pressure the first two weeks, insomnia if i took to late in the evening, and headaches the first two weeks buy the time i took the fourth cap of the day
so ill be cutting back to prolly 2ed for 6 weeks instead of 4 ed for 4weeks

the insomina could have just been my urge to be in the gym!! lol

 

[WinnyPumps]

I don't doubt the strength gains! Lookin forward to it!
It seems some people only have gotten sides from 40mg or more. Has anyone experienced hbp, headaches, or any other sides with 30mg or less??

 

[dabuffguy]

I don't doubt the strength gains! Lookin forward to it!
It seems some people only have gotten sides from 40mg or more. Has anyone experienced hbp, headaches, or any other sides with 30mg or less??

Blood pressure will increase at any dose really. how much is the question.

Headaches may also result from the blood pressure increase.

 

[abomb555]

Blood pressure will increase at any dose really. how much is the question.

Headaches may also result from the blood pressure increase.

yes you could tell the headaches were from the bp

 

[bremac]

I know we have literally hundreds of ProHormone threads out there telling the benefits and making comparisons between them and real, illegal anabolic steroids...but what the hell, you guys are great so can't hurt!

I am an AAS user (admiting we have a problem if the first step! LOL) and have had GREAT experiences so far with Test, Anavar, Deca, EQ, Winni, and I planned on running some Tren and Primo and Lord knows what else before the year ends.

Now that I'm reading all of these positive reviews on Needto's products and other pro-steroids/designer steroids/pro-hormones, it seems like there is definitely something to it.

I planned on just using real AAS since they are F'in effective and if they're illegal, they gotta be good ...but now I might be having some source problems. This is making me re-think everything and consider going with a prohormone cycle. What I want to know is, coming from those who are AAS users, are these pro-hormones worth it? I'm not just talking about Needto's stuff, I'm just saying in general.

I know that the chemical makeup is similiar or sometimes identical to real AAS. I just wonder if these cycles are weaker or if maybe they are as strong as the real thing, are the side affects BAD like I've heard rumored. Some people say horrible liver damage, going totally bald, and extreme cystic acne.

So guys, try to convince me that a 4-6 week cycle of maybe some type of Tren prohormone and a superdrol or a tbol clone are safe, effective, and will make me just as happy as if I were to run the real thing.

Respect

********disclaimer, the following statements although appear to be all encompassing, not all supps co.'s are the subject of these remarks, there are reputable ones out there**********

Oh man this is gonna start a war. On another sites forum last week I exposed to several people the pathway by which these "prohormones" and "prosteroids" are "discovered" and the nature of said discovered products. First of all define prohormone, in biochemistry pro refers to an ability to illicit a response which positively effects another process, prohormones are ifefficient feedstock making them "prehormones". a prosteroid is a steroid, but not necessarily an anabolic one. Prohors, prosters DHEA choloesterol are ALL steroids make no bones about it, by definition they are as much steroids as trenbolone or test, its all legal semantics.

I'm not going to blow the lid off this here but last week I exposed a very popular prosteroid for what it really was, a cytotoxic, antineoplastic chemotherapy agent. So, what it does is kills quickly dividing cells by not allowing the DNA helix to unwind, so its used to kill tumor cells. GEE, don't bodybuilders have quickly dividing cells they don't want killed. You are being given a drug not even allowed for medical use in your country, only china uses it due to how dangerous it is.

Here's what the "scientists" at some supps companies do (I know because I was one)

-look for expired patents and marks on forgotten materials that exhibit in some way a resemblance to a known steroids IUPAC name, they look for etiochollan, epiandro, androstene, you know what I mean.
-if a suitable candidate is found they move onto the "will this kill them quick enough to know it was us" stage, no? o.k, next step
-file a bogus patent, which will be pending for eternity but allows the co. to say its in the works, it looks good but it will never pass, if it does then there is some lying going on or some greasy palms. antineoplastics have no reason to warrant their use as anabolics, they are exactly the opposite of what you want, they are poison.
-put it down your throat, the placebo effect will take care of the rest, get you pumped up, get some sides, hype a little more, you start eating like a pig and rockin the gym hard.............the prosteroid made you huge!!!! or was it your hard work and determination. Some shister is taking the credit for your balls.

If you are gonna swallow something or shoot something to make muscles grow, stick with the understood, effective products at reasonable doses. Nandrolone and a bit of test will do more in a week than a year on rabid-drol or beast-turd-drol or Dekkadionoldinoneadrol-EQ-50.

Its all marketing, don't give them your money you work hard, its highway robbery. I once saw a product with a name like 19 noretiochollanone diol .....sompin sumpin. they made it an invalid name by naming more than 4bonds on carbons etc.. and allowed the inexperienced people think it was a drug. It was a bunch of ground up dogshit herbs. That is irresponsible and downright pitiful scamming worse than any overseas juice scammer any day of the week becuase by doing it they are calling you an ignorant idiot.

 

[dabuffguy]

********disclaimer, the following statements although appear to be all encompassing, not all supps co.'s are the subject of these remarks, there are reputable ones out there**********

Oh man this is gonna start a war. On another sites forum last week I exposed to several people the pathway by which these "prohormones" and "prosteroids" are "discovered" and the nature of said discovered products. First of all define prohormone, in biochemistry pro refers to an ability to illicit a response which positively effects another process, prohormones are ifefficient feedstock making them "prehormones". a prosteroid is a steroid, but not necessarily an anabolic one. Prohors, prosters DHEA choloesterol are ALL steroids make no bones about it, by definition they are as much steroids as trenbolone or test, its all legal semantics.

I'm not going to blow the lid off this here but last week I exposed a very popular prosteroid for what it really was, a cytotoxic, antineoplastic chemotherapy agent. So, what it does is kills quickly dividing cells by not allowing the DNA helix to unwind, so its used to kill tumor cells. GEE, don't bodybuilders have quickly dividing cells they don't want killed. You are being given a drug not even allowed for medical use in your country, only china uses it due to how dangerous it is.

Here's what the "scientists" at some supps companies do (I know because I was one)

-look for expired patents and marks on forgotten materials that exhibit in some way a resemblance to a known steroids IUPAC name, they look for etiochollan, epiandro, androstene, you know what I mean.
-if a suitable candidate is found they move onto the "will this kill them quick enough to know it was us" stage, no? o.k, next step
-file a bogus patent, which will be pending for eternity but allows the co. to say its in the works, it looks good but it will never pass, if it does then there is some lying going on or some greasy palms. antineoplastics have no reason to warrant their use as anabolics, they are exactly the opposite of what you want, they are poison.
-put it down your throat, the placebo effect will take care of the rest, get you pumped up, get some sides, hype a little more, you start eating like a pig and rockin the gym hard.............the prosteroid made you huge!!!! or was it your hard work and determination. Some shister is taking the credit for your balls.

If you are gonna swallow something or shoot something to make muscles grow, stick with the understood, effective products at reasonable doses. Nandrolone and a bit of test will do more in a week than a year on rabid-drol or beast-turd-drol or Dekkadionoldinoneadrol-EQ-50.

Its all marketing, don't give them your money you work hard, its highway robbery. I once saw a product with a name like 19 noretiochollanone diol .....sompin sumpin. they made it an invalid name by naming more than 4bonds on carbons etc.. and allowed the inexperienced people think it was a drug. It was a bunch of ground up dogshit herbs. That is irresponsible and downright pitiful scamming worse than any overseas juice scammer any day of the week becuase by doing it they are calling you an ignorant idiot.

And therefore the reason why needto had his products tested by a lab to ensure that his products are exactly what he intends them to be. Pure steroids compounds, some of which were formulated by the exact same person who formulated the ones which are now controlled substances.

 

[advanced-stealth]

If you do it let us know the results.