probable first time roid user

[hopetogethugesoon]

I've been working out hard for 8 months naturally and results come slow regardless. I want to bulk up and lose fat at the same time. Is dianabol and winstrol a good stack for a first timer? And are what are the major difference between orals and injections?

 

[smaretick]

I've been working out hard for 8 months naturally and results come slow regardless. I want to bulk up and lose fat at the same time. Is dianabol and winstrol a good stack for a first timer? And are what are the major difference between orals and injections?

How old are you? An oral-only cycle will be extremely hard on your liver, whereas using test (injection) won't be. Do some more reading before you consider AAS. Have you tried natural means to 'bulk up'? You should try to reach your 'genetic potential' naturally before resorting to chemical enhancement.

 

[hopetogethugesoon]

How old are you? An oral-only cycle will be extremely hard on your liver, whereas using test (injection) won't be. Do some more reading before you consider AAS. Have you tried natural means to 'bulk up'? You should try to reach your 'genetic potential' naturally before resorting to chemical enhancement.

I am 28 years old and in these 8 months, no lie, I eat an average of 5 to 7 times a day and I've gained only 2 lbs. of lean muscle. I'm not really into roids but I figure to just take 1 good cycle of 8 weeks to both bulk up and lose fat in order to see considerable results since results take so damn long.

 

[Ozz2001]

Sus,omna,test-E 10 weeks 500mg you wont be disapointed....note one or the other posted not all at once Clean meals...Just my opinion....

 

[bigtravis]

you could try a test only cycle. such as test, enanthate or cypionate. but i've known alot of guys that have started out with the classical test,deca, and d-bol cycle. all three together at low doses like test. 500/wk, deca.300/wk, and d-bol 25mg./everyday for first four weeks. 8 week cycle.

 

[BOWTECH]

What is your current bf%. If it's high you want to lose that excess bf before starting a cycle.

 

[taste-icles]

Truth be told, test only for your first cycle like everyone is posting. Week 4 you'll start noticing good improvements, by week 10 you'll be really pleased. If you head to cycle two, depending on if it is size or quality you want at that point, primo + var to get hard or deca + dbol to grow. Then again, i do love the cliche stacks, but they work well for me.

 

[AlwaysOn]

I am 28 years old and in these 8 months, no lie, I eat an average of 5 to 7 times a day and I've gained only 2 lbs. of lean muscle. I'm not really into roids but I figure to just take 1 good cycle of 8 weeks to both bulk up and lose fat in order to see considerable results since results take so damn long.

do you squat all the way to the ground or not?

 

[Extra_Strong]

if you are a 1st timer.. and are afraid of injects.. just get some winny 50mg a day for about 6 weeks will get you started you will do fine. with that.

than after you see how wonderful they are get some test and join the gang keep reading and asking questions.. winny would be good at 1st because low sides.. no estrogen.. good luck

 

[hopetogethugesoon]

do you squat all the way to the ground or not?

Why do you ask this and what does your question have to do with my particular dilemma?

 

[asianlover]

i think u should be lifting alot longer than 8 months before you even think about using gear.

 

[Bruce]

i think u should be lifting alot longer than 8 months before you even think about using gear.

six years of grinding it out to put on every pound, and i am a super ecto

 

[asianlover]

i thinkl the best thing for you to use would be creatine. you should not be using gear after only training 8 months period. stop looking for an easy way out and start busting your ass. not trying to flame you, just been seeing way too many of this crap lately. at least wait until your muscles are more conditioned to lifting heavy weights. if u have a big increse in strengh too fast and there is a very good chance of injuring your self.

 

[Gman1]

i didnt start till 4years of lifting, and 1bodybuilding show under my belt, which i got down to 5%bf naturally, 8mo??? you should lift longer, results should be measured in alot longertime frame, and if its not working, TRY HARDER, i can almost assure you your not training hard enough, if your saying well what the helldo i have to workout till i wanna puke????? yes,! i judge my workouts on if i want to die after them(especially legs) its was a good workout, i mean you shouldnt be able to walk outa the gym, alter your training and diet, give it more time, in my opin... hopetogetnewnamesoon, haha kinda lame... but def original...

 

[shoestring]

I've been working out hard for 8 months naturally and results come slow regardless. I want to bulk up and lose fat at the same time. Is dianabol and winstrol a good stack for a first timer? And are what are the major difference between orals and injections?

You need to learn how to grow natural first. You can if you are willing to learn more about diet, working out, and your body. Don't get bummed out, you can gain a lot of muscle with out juice. Somebody new to lifting can put on 20lbs or better in a couple years no problem. After a few years and learning how to put it all together and you have added a lot of lbs of lbm then you can consider hitting the sauce.. The vast majority recomend 400-500mg test per week dvided into two doses per week for 10-12 weeks followed by propper pct. I garantee that if you wait to do it you will be happier later on. Good luck..

 

[Gman1]

hey ive matched all my best lifts if not exceeded them all while off cycle, dont ask me how but it can be done, just train hard

 

[Its All Genetics]

I've been working out hard for 8 months naturally and results come slow regardless. I want to bulk up and lose fat at the same time. Is dianabol and winstrol a good stack for a first timer? And are what are the major difference between orals and injections?

8 months is not nearly long enough bro. trying taking some creatine and getting into a good diet and some excercise. this is not the place you wanna be looking to for info

 

[richspc]

What you gain naturally you get to keep. Roids are for people who have reached their full potential. Your 28yrs.old, you still have alot of free flowing test. in your body. Read Flex Mag. exercise routines, diet, etc. Do compound lifts, the holy grail of 5, bench-press, squats, deadlifts, rows, miltary presses, will put more muscles on your frame than anything else, and you get to keep it all. Just my 2-cents.

 

[1392477]

I will join the chorus on this one - give it more time naturally before juicing. After lifting CONSISTENTLY and intelligently for 2+ years you will probably have come closer to your natural peaks - then consider juice to overcome that plateau. Over time priorities change and what seemed like a good idea at the time in hindsight can be a fleeting fad. Remember your are messing with your body chemistry here.