Primo Var Cycle Goal: LBM

[youngsparticus]

I'm 25, 190 pounds and 5'11" at 8% bf and i havnt done any kind of cycle or prohormone, im all natural as of yet. So ive been lurking on forums like this for years and doing tons of research on almost every kind of steroid to make sure i know what i'm doing before i get into this. I'm a lot more interested in the lighter compounds or in creative uses of certain compounds because i really dont like the idea of messing with my endocrine system too much or things like gyno and hair loss. So i developed this cycle which i expect to not completely shut down my endogenous test production and be as safe as possible while still making lean, slower lbm gains.
14 week cycle
Base:
weeks 1-14: primo @ 200mg per week
weeks 1-14: var @ 30 mg ED
weeks 1-14: hcg @ 100 iu every 3 days
Bursts:
Weeks 2-5 “burst” on D-bol @ 30 mg ED and Halotestin @ 20mg ED and Masteron @ 30 mg ED
Weeks 6-7 “cruise” on primo and var
Weeks 8-12 “burst” on D-bol @ 30 mg ED and Halotestin @ 20mg ED and Masteron @ 30 mg ED
Weeks 13- 14 “cruise” on primo and var
PCT:
.5 g arimidex eod
SARMS-S4 for 4 weeks
HMG 100iu ED 2 weeks
“Unleashed” “Animal Test” and “Animal Stak” for 1 month
Aromasin 2 weeks
tell me what you think of this cycle as long as your not gonna spout the "every cycle needs test" cliche

 

[thelocal]

where your test?you need test as your base

 

[thelocal]

and that cycle is to long and complicated for a beginner,stick with test,u could use primo but i say forget about the orals

 

[sharkmaster]

thats way to long to be on var! that would be pretty stressfull on your heart. When considering mild compounds consider that you have to run more to achive the same as you do taking a low dose of a strong compound. that amount of primo is really low and i dont think youd get much benifit from it. 400mg a week seems to be when it starts to shine for most. But at that level even though primo is low in androgen it will still give potential androgenic sideffect risk. My thought is that 250 of test e once a week will work just as well as a mild compound or better while keeping sideffects low to nil and be way better on your wallet!

 

[youngsparticus]

price is not an issue for me, i am actually going to run this cycle during a cycle of hgh and insulin and some growth factors. and i am purposefully avoiding testosterone because i dont want any kind of bloat or much water gains. im looking to gain about 15-20 pounds and a lot of strength and maybe even drop a percent of bf. and im using such a low dose of primo because its not very suppresive of my natural test. does var cause heart problems? ill have to look that up.

 

[joshuaua]

i just skimmed it..but if i'm right in thinking that you'll only be taking 200mg's a week of primo then what a waste. like a serious waste. they say that the absolute minimum to see results is around 600mg's a week. which is triple your dose.

 

[thelocal]

your taking slin?man thats so dangerous we dont not allow slin talk on this board..your not even ready to juice yet man..u need test

 

[stevesmi]

you are too complicated with this for a first cycle.

if you want to go with something that wont mess up your hormones then stay natural for now.

ANY steroid is gonna shut your HPTA down.

if you want to go with primo then do what I tell all primo guys to do. 500/week primo, 500/week test. for 10 weeks total. hcg 3-10, up dosage 11-13, then nolva for 3 weeks along with unleashed and post cycle.

that should do it. cycle off for 3 months. then do a blood test. thats the best way to do it.

 

[youngsparticus]

ok, tell me if this is bullshit. ive read that medical studies that at 40 mg anavar will cause an average of 30% suppression of natural test and im only using 30mg. ive also read that at 200mg/week primo should not cause more than 20% suppression. ill take my dbol in the am which ive read causes close to no suppression. halotestin at 20 mg pre-workout should cause close to 0 suppression. and masteron used at 20 mg ED should cause minimal suppression, something like 10%. so even while im on a burst: anavar: 25%, primo 20%, dbol 5%, halo 5%, mast 10% = 65% suppression. not accounting my usage of hcg. and ill be taking 3 "natural teest boosters" throughout the cycle. and those percantages are very liberal. bullshit?

 

[stevesmi]

bro you are making things way too complicated. primo WILL shut HPTA down by week 4-5. orals will shut you down even quicker.

dont want to be shut down? dont do steroids PERIOD.

if you want to cycle steroids then be smart. stick to 10 weeks or less and run a solid PCT. also hcg during cycle is smart to keep the balls plump to make a softer landing IMO. and of course you want to allow your HPTA to recover. that means if you are on 10 weeks and then PCT. then stay off for a full 15 weeks atleast. i would even say go 20 weeks off just to make sure.

 

[youngsparticus]

haha well thanks for your input, thats why i have the orals in 4 week bursts. i still think im gonna run this though, and ill have my bloodwork done throughout and see what happens

 

[stevesmi]

run a blood test beforehand. no reason to do bloodwork during. your testosterone levels will be elevated throughout your cycle. once the esthers clear they will nosedive, thats why its important to have a PCT to get you through that crap time. I would wait 3 full months after your final injection to run a blood test. no reason to do it sooner and scare yourself

 

[HarryHarry]

I'm 25, 190 pounds and 5'11" at 8% bf and i havnt done any kind of cycle or prohormone, im all natural as of yet. So ive been lurking on forums like this for years and doing tons of research on almost every kind of steroid to make sure i know what i'm doing before i get into this. I'm a lot more interested in the lighter compounds or in creative uses of certain compounds because i really dont like the idea of messing with my endocrine system too much or things like gyno and hair loss. So i developed this cycle which i expect to not completely shut down my endogenous test production and be as safe as possible while still making lean, slower lbm gains.
14 week cycle
Base:
weeks 1-14: primo @ 200mg per week
weeks 1-14: var @ 30 mg ED
weeks 1-14: hcg @ 100 iu every 3 days
Bursts:
Weeks 2-5 “burst” on D-bol @ 30 mg ED and Halotestin @ 20mg ED and Masteron @ 30 mg ED
Weeks 6-7 “cruise” on primo and var
Weeks 8-12 “burst” on D-bol @ 30 mg ED and Halotestin @ 20mg ED and Masteron @ 30 mg ED
Weeks 13- 14 “cruise” on primo and var
PCT:
.5 g arimidex eod
SARMS-S4 for 4 weeks
HMG 100iu ED 2 weeks
“Unleashed” “Animal Test” and “Animal Stak” for 1 month
Aromasin 2 weeks
tell me what you think of this cycle as long as your not gonna spout the "every cycle needs test" cliche

If you wanna stay away from gyno and bloat then why choose dbol? Test should always be in a cycle. Even more so with such a complicated one as this. Anavar oral should never be taken longer than 12 week max. Throwing in dbol every few weeks there also makes this extreamly dangerous for your liver and kidneys. Primo dose is too small to make noticable gains. Someone sayed 600mg min but id say 400mg minimim for good gains with some test. Animal Test and Animal Stak would be close to pointles while on steroids IMO, others will disagree but the factors they control will be miniscule when compared to steroids. I dont think you have done as much reaserch as you say as you have completly forgot about the basics. One oral max, always use test, and dbol bloats like hell.

I propose...

Week 1-14 Test P@ 400mg / Week
Week 1-12 Primo @ 400-600mg / Week
Week 4-12 Anavar @ 40-60mg ED

Forget the dbol, great compound but if your looking for LBM gains then its not for this cycle. Shoot the test prop and primo in the same syringle Monday and Thursday for minimal jabs. A clean bulk just above maintance and your laughing. Completly disagree with the sarms PCT stuff right now but thats just me.

Harry

 

[calabresenj]

Just a quick quest stevesmi. Im thinking of running a 10wk 400mg/primo, 375mg/test with hcg 500iu/wk for 3-10 n upping my hcg during pct 11-13 to 750iu/wk. I was planning on aromasin 25mg ed wk3-15 and need2guard wk1-13 along with a pct of post cycle, unleashed, and hcgen. Im wondering if you think its possible to go with out the aromasin and just use nolv instead. I also have clomid on hand but it seems most recent schools of thought are going away from clomid during pct. I am 28 been training pretty hard for years I've done a couple cycles of deca and win in my early 20s totally incorrectly. This will be my 1st done correctly with test and a good pct protocol. I did a primo n var cycle about a yr ago b4 joining here and I have to admit everything everyone here says about needing a test base and primo and var shutting you down is 100% dead on. So I am very eager to try the primo test I just want to make sure my anti's and my pct is good. Im now a believer that a good pct is just as important if not more important than the cycle itself.

 

[thelocal]

dude dont take var,dbol,and halo at the same time ur asking for liver failure

 

[youngsparticus]

ok so what im hearing from everyone is that you can't have your cake and eat it too, i guess i was just looking to beat the system. what do you guys think of this:

weeks 1-12 test 500mg/wk
weeks 1-12 primo 500mg/wk
weeks 1-12 mast 400mg/wk
weeks 1-12 var 40mg ED

 

[tical]

just use the test and the primo. maybe even use the var for weeks 1-8.

use hcg throughout and make sure you've got a real PCT.

this is what i would do if i was in your shoes.

pre: bloodwork
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weeks 1-12 test 500mg/wk
weeks 1-12 primo 500mg/wk
weeks 1-8 var 60mg ED
weeks 2-13 arimidex .25mg eod
weeks 2-13 HCG 250iu 2x/wk
weeks 13-17 clomid 12.5mg ed
weeks 18-20 clomid 6.25mg ed
--
week 25 bloodwork

bloodwork = total t, free t, shbg, e2 (ultrasensitive), fsh, lh, albumin

 

[tical]

Just a quick quest stevesmi. Im thinking of running a 10wk 400mg/primo, 375mg/test with hcg 500iu/wk for 3-10 n upping my hcg during pct 11-13 to 750iu/wk. I was planning on aromasin 25mg ed wk3-15 and need2guard wk1-13 along with a pct of post cycle, unleashed, and hcgen. Im wondering if you think its possible to go with out the aromasin and just use nolv instead. I also have clomid on hand but it seems most recent schools of thought are going away from clomid during pct. I am 28 been training pretty hard for years I've done a couple cycles of deca and win in my early 20s totally incorrectly. This will be my 1st done correctly with test and a good pct protocol. I did a primo n var cycle about a yr ago b4 joining here and I have to admit everything everyone here says about needing a test base and primo and var shutting you down is 100% dead on. So I am very eager to try the primo test I just want to make sure my anti's and my pct is good. Im now a believer that a good pct is just as important if not more important than the cycle itself.

DO NOT USE HCG DURING PCT!! it will hinder your recovery

most schools of thought aren't moving away from clomid, top mens health doctors still use SERMs for this purpose (recovery / restart) and there are plenty of studies showing that 100% of men respond to clomid (for example) with an increase in testosterone production

 

[HarryHarry]

ok so what im hearing from everyone is that you can't have your cake and eat it too, i guess i was just looking to beat the system. what do you guys think of this:

weeks 1-12 test 500mg/wk
weeks 1-12 primo 500mg/wk
weeks 1-12 mast 400mg/wk
weeks 1-12 var 40mg ED

Too complicated for your first cycle.

Test and primo. Var if you like.
In the future if you like you can add the masteron once you know how your body responds to these 2 or 3 compounds.

Harry