Primo Var Cycle Goal: LBM

[youngsparticus]

I'm 25, 190 pounds and 5'11" at 8% bf and i havnt done any kind of cycle or prohormone, im all natural as of yet. So ive been lurking on forums like this for years and doing tons of research on almost every kind of steroid to make sure i know what i'm doing before i get into this. I'm a lot more interested in the lighter compounds or in creative uses of certain compounds because i really dont like the idea of messing with my endocrine system too much or things like gyno and hair loss. So i developed this cycle which i expect to not completely shut down my endogenous test production and be as safe as possible while still making lean, slower lbm gains.
14 week cycle
Base:
weeks 1-14: primo @ 200mg per week
weeks 1-14: var @ 30 mg ED
weeks 1-14: hcg @ 100 iu every 3 days
Bursts:
Weeks 2-5 “burst” on D-bol @ 30 mg ED and Halotestin @ 20mg ED and Masteron @ 30 mg ED
Weeks 6-7 “cruise” on primo and var
Weeks 8-12 “burst” on D-bol @ 30 mg ED and Halotestin @ 20mg ED and Masteron @ 30 mg ED
Weeks 13- 14 “cruise” on primo and var
PCT:
.5 g arimidex eod
SARMS-S4 for 4 weeks
HMG 100iu ED 2 weeks
“Unleashed” “Animal Test” and “Animal Stak” for 1 month
Aromasin 2 weeks
tell me what you think of this cycle as long as your not gonna spout the "every cycle needs test" cliche

 

[thelocal]

where your test?you need test as your base

 

[thelocal]

and that cycle is to long and complicated for a beginner,stick with test,u could use primo but i say forget about the orals

 

[sharkmaster]

thats way to long to be on var! that would be pretty stressfull on your heart. When considering mild compounds consider that you have to run more to achive the same as you do taking a low dose of a strong compound. that amount of primo is really low and i dont think youd get much benifit from it. 400mg a week seems to be when it starts to shine for most. But at that level even though primo is low in androgen it will still give potential androgenic sideffect risk. My thought is that 250 of test e once a week will work just as well as a mild compound or better while keeping sideffects low to nil and be way better on your wallet!

 

[youngsparticus]

price is not an issue for me, i am actually going to run this cycle during a cycle of hgh and insulin and some growth factors. and i am purposefully avoiding testosterone because i dont want any kind of bloat or much water gains. im looking to gain about 15-20 pounds and a lot of strength and maybe even drop a percent of bf. and im using such a low dose of primo because its not very suppresive of my natural test. does var cause heart problems? ill have to look that up.

 

[joshuaua]

i just skimmed it..but if i'm right in thinking that you'll only be taking 200mg's a week of primo then what a waste. like a serious waste. they say that the absolute minimum to see results is around 600mg's a week. which is triple your dose.

 

[thelocal]

your taking slin?man thats so dangerous we dont not allow slin talk on this board..your not even ready to juice yet man..u need test

 

[stevesmi]

you are too complicated with this for a first cycle.

if you want to go with something that wont mess up your hormones then stay natural for now.

ANY steroid is gonna shut your HPTA down.

if you want to go with primo then do what I tell all primo guys to do. 500/week primo, 500/week test. for 10 weeks total. hcg 3-10, up dosage 11-13, then nolva for 3 weeks along with unleashed and post cycle.

that should do it. cycle off for 3 months. then do a blood test. thats the best way to do it.

 

[youngsparticus]

ok, tell me if this is bullshit. ive read that medical studies that at 40 mg anavar will cause an average of 30% suppression of natural test and im only using 30mg. ive also read that at 200mg/week primo should not cause more than 20% suppression. ill take my dbol in the am which ive read causes close to no suppression. halotestin at 20 mg pre-workout should cause close to 0 suppression. and masteron used at 20 mg ED should cause minimal suppression, something like 10%. so even while im on a burst: anavar: 25%, primo 20%, dbol 5%, halo 5%, mast 10% = 65% suppression. not accounting my usage of hcg. and ill be taking 3 "natural teest boosters" throughout the cycle. and those percantages are very liberal. bullshit?

 

[stevesmi]

bro you are making things way too complicated. primo WILL shut HPTA down by week 4-5. orals will shut you down even quicker.

dont want to be shut down? dont do steroids PERIOD.

if you want to cycle steroids then be smart. stick to 10 weeks or less and run a solid PCT. also hcg during cycle is smart to keep the balls plump to make a softer landing IMO. and of course you want to allow your HPTA to recover. that means if you are on 10 weeks and then PCT. then stay off for a full 15 weeks atleast. i would even say go 20 weeks off just to make sure.