Primo/Test E Cycle. Please critique.

[AASresearch]

Stats
Age - 31
Height - 5ft 9in
BF - 13%
Weight - 185lbs
Goal
Run mild cycle for lean, quality gains.

Proposed Cycle
Weeks 1-14 - Primo E 600/week
Weeks 1-14 - Test E 250/week
Weeks 16-20 - PCT
- Clomid - 100/100/50/50
- Nolva - 40/40/20/20
- HCG - Deliberately excluded. It has been suggested that I not use HCG. I would like your opinions on this.
I will keep Arimidex on-hand. I will also keep Cialis handy, since I am not single.

 

[Jbranken]

I'd use hcg but only on cycle, not pct. search around the forum and change up your pct. the clom/nolva combo is outdated and there are much better pct options out there that don't send you on the emotional rollercoaster

 

[NegroPops]

I think the cycle itself looks good, some anavar at the end would make a real nice addition. I would change up your PCT a little bit. What you have planned is an old school way of doing things. There is no reason to run the clomid at that high of dose, and unless you are very prone to gyno, there is no reason for the nolva. I would drop the clomid dose to to 25 mg ED and add in an AI. A great choice would be Forma Stanzol from mrsupps.com. It will not only help keep estrogen at bay, but will also help elevate your natural test levels. Then the addition of another natty test booster would really aid in your recovery and help keep the sides from the SERM away.

As far as the HCG.. going into PCT not being fully shut down makes it easier to recover. HCG really help with this. What is the reasoning you have been suggested not to use it?

 

[AASresearch]

I think the cycle itself looks good, some anavar at the end would make a real nice addition. I would change up your PCT a little bit. What you have planned is an old school way of doing things. There is no reason to run the clomid at that high of dose, and unless you are very prone to gyno, there is no reason for the nolva. I would drop the clomid dose to to 25 mg ED and add in an AI. A great choice would be Forma Stanzol from mrsupps.com. It will not only help keep estrogen at bay, but will also help elevate your natural test levels. Then the addition of another natty test booster would really aid in your recovery and help keep the sides from the SERM away.

As far as the HCG.. going into PCT not being fully shut down makes it easier to recover. HCG really help with this. What is the reasoning you have been suggested not to use it?

Reasons;
1) This cycle is so mild that Nolva & Clomid would be sufficient.
2) That the use of HCG would keep natural test levels from rebounding. In other words, it would prolong the post-cycle crash. (this sounds like horseshit to me)



It has been suggested, however, that I keep HCG on-hand just in case. Problem is, I've never used HCG before, and I don't believe that I'm experienced enough with AAS to know what sides should prompt me to decide start using HCG.


Don't get me wrong, I *want* to use HCG. How would you use it on such a mild cycle?

 

[AASresearch]

I'd use hcg but only on cycle, not pct. search around the forum and change up your pct. the clom/nolva combo is outdated and there are much better pct options out there that don't send you on the emotional rollercoaster

Yeah, the Clomid worries me a little, because I hear the sides are awful. How would you run HCG on such a mild cycle?

 

[NegroPops]

you don't want to use it in PCT, you want to use it a few weeks before PCT. The cycle is mild, but you will still be shut down.. so giving your balls a kick start before PCT isn't a bad idea. It will make it easier for you to recover. It is not mandatory by any means.. but I would recommend it.

There are different theories and ways on how to run it.. personally, i do a short blast before PCT. For your cycle, I would go 250 iu twice per week during weeks 13-14, then 500 iu twice per week during weeks 15-16. Then start PCT at week 17.

The side effect of needing to use HCG is simple. your balls will be noticeably smaller then what they usually are.

Also.. i don't mean to product push. But a good alternative to HCG would be HCGenerate from needtobuildmuscle.net, you could run this during your cycle instead of the HCG. It is an all-natural test booster that keeps your balls nice and plump during cycle, when your own production is shut down. I have used it in my last 2 cycles and it makes a world of difference. I have yet to come across a bad review of it,

 

[UA_Iron]

If you run HCG in pct I would also run an aromatase inhibitor like Aromasin (arimidex isn't ideal in PCT). Probably better to run it throughout the cycle if you're that worried. It does add another level of complexity to the mix though.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I disagree with everything that's been said.

You shouldn't need any anti e with that.

I believe in using HCG at the end of a cycle.

The cycle is too long.

Clomid sucks.

You need some anciliaries, notable N2GUARD, UNLEASHED and BRIDGE.

Other than that, I like the test/primo combo.

 

[UA_Iron]

I disagree with everything that's been said.

You shouldn't need any anti e with that.

I believe in using HCG at the end of a cycle.

The cycle is too long.

Clomid sucks.

You need some anciliaries, notable N2GUARD, UNLEASHED and BRIDGE.

Other than that, I like the test/primo combo.

I disagree. I would always run an AI with HCG. During the cycle it is not necessary, unless he's running HCG during cycle - then I would.

 

[stevesmi]

dude is this your first cycle?

this is why we say stick to 1 compound.. you are complicating things bigtime here. learn the ABC's.

yes you should definately use hcg to kickstart pct.. you don't need it during and definately a no-no during pct. do more research on what hcg does.. i have made threads explaining what hcg does, find it.

the clomid/nolva pct is outdated and you will feel like shit on it. this is why guys go on HRT and give up on cycling right there. especially at those ridiculous doses you are running

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Stats
Age - 31
Height - 5ft 9in
BF - 13%
Weight - 185lbs
Goal
Run mild cycle for lean, quality gains.

Proposed Cycle
Weeks 1-14 - Primo E 600/week
Weeks 1-14 - Test E 250/week
Weeks 16-20 - PCT
- Clomid - 100/100/50/50
- Nolva - 40/40/20/20
- HCG - Deliberately excluded. It has been suggested that I not use HCG. I would like your opinions on this.
I will keep Arimidex on-hand. I will also keep Cialis handy, since I am not single.

If you excluse HCG, consider HCGenerate instead, it's a lot more effective.

As far as your cycle, you should use arimidex or another AI the whole cycle, at a minimum 0.25mgs ED/EOD (at least).