Primo experts....please read.

[searay]

primo/masteron or proviron for cutting. tren has a simular moleculor structure to deca so you do need to eat to get the most out of tren. BUT for those who have used tren you know the shit burns fat. so my 2ccs would be cut up with primo and then switch to tren.

 

[Excidium28]

Weak Anabolic??!!! WTF?? How is that? Last year all I used was Tren at 100mgs per day for about 3 months. That along with my 5mgs of Androgel HRT per day. And Dostinex with 50mgs of Proviron. I was able to eat 6 meals a day. But I ate very,very little calories...and carbs. I think the most carbs I got each day was around 150. All of it low glycemic. And I gained was 15lbs of LBM in that time! So how can you say it is a weak anabolic?

Were u able to keep the gains off tren? size, strenghts, bf???

 

[Guvna]

considering there is really no studies on tren, I dont see how these "documents" could be anything but speculation.


however, why dont you post them up..

??? How about it indy?

 

[Tux]

Haha, and the boogiemonster misses one! Tren is a strong androgen AND a strong anabolic. It's higher anabolically than primo and MUCH MUCH higher androgenically. I simply cannot see how primo can compare with tren on an equivalent mg dosage. I won't say this for sure, as I've never used primo myself, but I've seen several friends take it, and none had results as good as equivalent or lesser amounts of tren. Tren is simply the stronger drug hands down. I don't believe it's any harder to maintain muscle gains made on tren either. If you're above your genetic limit, and you come off, you'll lose some muscle no matter what you used to gain it. As long as you keep training, keep your cals and protein up, you should maintain the same amount of muscle irregardless of whether you gained it from tren or primo, it's not like your body can somehow tell the difference in HOW you gained the muscle. It's cheaper and stronger... for me, tren wins hands down based on that alone

 

[Smokescreen]

Were u able to keep the gains off tren? size, strenghts, bf???

yes

 

[Mavy]

Eh Boys,

I dont believe that there are any references, or reason to believe that primo works well (especially better than tren) while in a calorie deficeit. This is like the EQ causes hunger, or anxiety phenomenoms. There is no logical explanation for it, and all evidence is emperical.

As for what is better to increase lean body mass, its quite obvious that tren is a winner. I would say followed closely by axandrolone, which is proven to work directly on visceral fat as well.

Its been clearly proven that tren does indeed reduce body fat (just like androgens do too), but only when there not competing with circulating estrogen. So, this means that for cutting fat, tren is best used in a cycle with non-aromatizing roids since it competes with circulating estradiol.

I am with mack on the cattle issue. In vet studies the actual androgenic hypertrophy of tren is regarded as the strongest of any steroid which could be used, which is why instead of using aromatizing compounds to enhance mass in cattle, they now inject them with prods like Revalor-S, which contains tren and estradiol, to make up for the lack of estrogenic mass accrual. You are right... beef is sold by mass, not by taking their bodyfat percentages, and selling the most "fit" cows lol. But we all know that muscle tissue is HEAVIER than fat! And lean beef is a higher quality meat. Giving tren to cows in the months leading up to their slaughter is the best choice to rapidly increase lean weight gain, which makes for some heavy, delicious, thick slabs of great steak!!

The way i see it, is that when you are in a calorie deficiet, you are in an anti-catabolic state. Tren is THE MOTHER OF ALL ANTI-CATABOLICS, which really does make it the "drug of choice" for cutting. Its no surprise that all these tren users report an actual increase in muscle mass while their bodyfat drops. Tren is famous for morphing your physique like no other drug will. Just ask all the goddamn tren junkies on this site. But .. at the same time, you have an increased risk of more sides. Which is the ONLY reason i have not used it thus far, (when i return home from travelling, i am going to give it a run though. I am going to need the help, lol.). As much as i bash tren sometimes, I am not going to deny that it is king. I just happen to personally know a few peeps who have had some nasty sides from it, and i am personally worried about hairloss from tren, as you cant really control it like hairloss from other roids.

Carth, if you are looking for the best drug to shred and and give you the edge over Satchy-boy, be sure to take tren. Better yet, why not run primo stacked with tren. Tren will cover both A/R and non-A/R mediated mechanisms, and stacking them with either a class I or II will only make things better. Tren/Primo/Winny sounds almost perfect, and right up your alley.

I wouldnt think of it so much as what works better with restricted calories.... but think of it re-worded as what works better in an anti-catabolic state. And in this case, its the tren. Good luck to you two on your contest. Should be a good one.
Fuck, i cant wait to get home and hit up a cycle myself, lol

Take Care,
Mavy

 

[Excidium28]

Im getting light acne on primo and var 700mg primo 80mg var

 

[Apexx]

My view was with Primo, is that you will keep more of the LBM gains that you made. I'm trying like crazy to find the reference material i read that in, but for now just treat it like my impression or viewpoint until i can get the sources to post up.

I'm very unsure of Tren, as I haven't looked into it personally, but I was almost positive the main benefit of Primo was that you kept a larger portion of your gains over most any other AAS. So the difference i see if they can both be sufficient in this role, but with Primo you may not see the explosive growth that you get with others, but should have a better retention.

I hope this makes sense, but if it doesn't, remember Corn hasn't had his coffee yet

corn, sorry to pick on you here bro as you're not the only one to have made this type of statement about keeping LBM.

BUT, lean muscle is lean muscle!! It doesn't matter which steroid it came from. It will be retained equally as well provided that proper precautions are taken for the correct PCT.

So, if it's agreed that tren will offer greater gains in lean muscle than primo with at least equal hardening powers, I don't see where the comparison is. Remember side effects are not the issue, so that shouldn't play a role in this particular answer.

Now I have used tren on several occasions, but have not used primo. However, I do know at least 7 different lifters who have used both and each time tren was the hands down winner. BTW, in 5 of the cases I'm talking about the doses were around 1g per week of primo, while their doses were only 75mg/ed of tren. So, while I don't know how primo would effect me, I'm not completely flying blind here either.

 

[thundercross]

Oh, so now this topic turned into a discussion about the chars of Primo and Tren?

I think its futile. The is no comparison between both. Tren is way better.