Preparing 2nd cycle, critique it guys..

[healthfrk76]

As stated this is my second cycle. I will not be running for another couple of months but getting shit ready. I started at 180lb w/10bf% and finished at 195lb w/11bf%. I didnt gain as much as i wanted but ill take it. I started at 250mg/ml for the first 6 weeks and wasnt seeing the results i was wanting so upped it to 500mg/wk and starting seeing gains i wanted. I think i could have put on 5-10 more lbs if i had done 500mg through out.

1st cycle history:
wk 1-10: 500mg sust
wk 1-6: 30 mg dianabol
pct: 12-16 50mg/day clomid/40mg/day nolva

2nd cycle: in this one im looking to put on some muscle, 10lbs or so. then to cut down a good bit from 11%bf to a mid single digit bf%.
wk 1-12: 100mg EOD Test Prop
wk 6-12: 60mcg/day Clen
100mg/wk Primo
wk 13 -17 or 18 PCT Derma Sustain/nolva

Im not confident of when to start PCT for this cycle. Seeing as prop has such a short half life i figured id need to start pretty soon since my test levels would drap quickly. but primo has a longer half life so im un sure.

Never used Derma Sustain for PCT but want to give it a shot after good reports ive been reading. PP, if you chime in how would i go about running Derma Sustain for my PCT. Should i run it with Nolva or alone?

Let me know what you guys think.

 

[yonkers weights]

Just post the new cycle. Not sure of it. Are you doing Primo weeks 6-12 or 13-17 or what?

 

[ElMatador]

some HCG would be good for your PCT...

 

[off_safety]

ugh, pr.op eod for 12 weeks. hope you bake your gear, cuz your gonna be one sore pin cushin for a couple months. i love pr.op but why dont you use en.th instead, that way you wont have to inj. so often. maybe start the first 4 weeks w/ pr.op and the switch to en.th to finish it out.

 

[holy ghost]

you better bump that primo up about 400+more for results

 

[hyp1]

As stated this is my second cycle. I will not be running for another couple of months but getting shit ready. I started at 180lb w/10bf% and finished at 195lb w/11bf%. I didnt gain as much as i wanted but ill take it. I started at 250mg/ml for the first 6 weeks and wasnt seeing the results i was wanting so upped it to 500mg/wk and starting seeing gains i wanted. I think i could have put on 5-10 more lbs if i had done 500mg through out.

1st cycle history:
wk 1-10: 500mg Sustanon
wk 1-6: 30 mg dianabol
PCT - post cycle therapy - : 12-16 50mg/day clomid/40mg/day Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -

2nd cycle: in this one im looking to put on some muscle, 10lbs or so. then to cut down a good bit from 11%bf to a mid single digit bf%.
wk 1-12: 100mg EOD Test testosterone propionate
wk 6-12: 60mcg/day Clenbuterol
100mg/wk Primobolan - methenolone -
wk 13 -17 or 18 PCT Derma Sustain/Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate -

Im not confident of when to start PCT for this cycle. Seeing as testosterone propionate has such a short half life i figured id need to start pretty soon since my test levels would drap quickly. but Primobolan - methenolone - has a longer half life so im un sure.

Never used Derma Sustain for PCT but want to give it a shot after good reports ive been reading. PP, if you chime in how would i go about running Derma Sustain for my PCT. Should i run it with Nolva or alone?

Let me know what you guys think.

bro I don't think you saw the gains you wanted because your diet wasn't in check.did you drastically increase your protein intake?because to grow that's a must.

for post cycle therapy:
10.5 days after your last injection of primobolan start the dermacrine sustain(so the primo will be cleared out of your sytem)and run it for an entire month along with 25mgs of nolvadex also.

best of luck to you bro

 

[702daswoll1]

100 mg's every week of primo is not going to do jack shit. Up that to 800mg's at least.
Also, 100mg of prop every other day will only give you a total of 350mg of test a week. You did not like that dosage in your first cycle so I would go 75mg every day or 150mg every other day.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Lots of things wrong here.

First of all, the notion that you didn't take enough. Truth be told dude, you probably didn't eat enough and you didn't train hard enough.

You think you could have gained an additional 10 pounds of muscle with an extra 500mgs? You're delusional.

You're thinking of putting on more muscle while using a stimulant/appitite suppressant. Not good.

You're using Nolva when the only aromatizing drug is 100 mgs of T? Unnecessary.

100 mgs of Primmo is nothing. I'm a big advocate of low dosages but you need at least 400 and you better eat at least 200 grams of protein a day every day with it or you'll be pissing it away.

As for PC T with a 400 Primmo/250 Test cycle, you can use just supps -- Derma is good, so is POST-CYCLE. I'd add UNLEASHED and MyogenX.

The exact time when PC T should be started is not a definite thing. Some may argue this and that but I'm not convinced it makes much difference. Anytime after your last shot is fine.

Good luck.

 

[needtogetaas]

Lots of things wrong here.

First of all, the notion that you didn't take enough. Truth be told dude, you probably didn't eat enough and you didn't train hard enough.

You think you could have gained an additional 10 pounds of muscle with an extra 500mgs? You're delusional.

You're thinking of putting on more muscle while using a stimulant/appitite suppressant. Not good.

You're using Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - when the only aromatizing drug is 100 mgs of T? Unnecessary.

100 mgs of Primmo is nothing. I'm a big advocate of low dosages but you need at least 400 and you better eat at least 200 grams of protein a day every day with it or you'll be pissing it away.

As for PC T with a 400 Primmo/250 Test cycle, you can use just supps -- Derma is good, so is POST-CYCLE. I'd add UNLEASHED and MyogenX.

The exact time when PC T should be started is not a definite thing. Some may argue this and that but I'm not convinced it makes much difference. Anytime after your last shot is fine.

Good luck.

looks good to me...dermacrin,unleeashed myogenx all good
pics for pct all 3 together even better.

 

[solidspine]

Start your PCT 6-7 days after the last injection---HCG 1000iu for 6-7 days

12 weeks on Prop is a long time, you may prefer Test E

And I love primo but at 100mg per week I don’t think you will notice anything.

You will want to add and anti-e to that cycle, AIFM or Nolvadex

Also run Nolvadex with your HCG

 

[Nelson Montana]

Start your PCT - post cycle therapy - 6-7 days after the last injection---HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 1000iu for 6-7 days

12 weeks on testosterone propionate is a long time, you may prefer testosterone enanthate

And I love Primobolan - methenolone - but at 100mg per week I don’t think you will notice anything.

You will want to add and anti-e to that cycle, AIFM or Nolvadex

Also run Nolvadex with your HCG

Gotta disagree. 1000iu's of HC G for a week is way overkill.

Nolva is absolutely unnecessary and will only hinder gains. HC G will increase estro but if an anti e is needed adexx is the better choice IMO but again, you won't experience much testicular atrophy so what bother?

AIFM is an untested chemical. You'll be better off with natural supps.

12 weeks is too long for a second cycle IMO if you want to recover well. Go with 8.

I agree about the prop and Primmo.

 

[healthfrk76]

thanks for all the input here guys. im not as familiar with these compounds so i was sure i was gonna have some stuff wrong. as for my diet not being on point, im positive it was. no offense to anyone who said it was my diet, i kept on thinking the same thing while on my cycle, but after calculating what i was taking in a few times a week it was not the case. i didnt go from 135 to 180 naturally without eating and training right.

alright so ill up the primo to 400mg a week. i thougth also about the many many injections for running prop for 12 weeks. i just didnt want to bloat considering my last 6 weeks of my cycle will be trying to cut down. i like the enthate with a kick off with prop fo the first 4 weeks. as long as my diet is solid, which it should bloating might not be as big of a problem
so,
wk 1-4 150mg/day test prop
wk 5-12 500mg/wk test e
60mcg/day clen
400mg/week primo
wk 13-16 Derma Sustain/post cycle/myogenx
anti-e: nolva/AIFM on hand