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dude, at first I thought this was you and your two buddies when i read the headline... crazy.
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Three Teens Killed by Fumes in Minnesota Caves

Wednesday, April 28, 2004

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Authorities sealed an entrance to a riverside cave complex where three teenagers died of apparent carbon monoxide poisoning (search), but were skeptical they could prevent people from getting in.



The three died Tuesday while exploring a complex known as the Wabasha Street caves (search), said police. They were identified Wednesday as Nicholas Lee Larson, Natalie Lorraine Vanvorst and Patrick Gerard Dague, all 17.

A fourth teenager, whose name was not released, was rescued, and his condition was upgraded Wednesday from critical to serious.

The 17-year-old boy who escaped the cave on his own and alerted authorities about the others was treated at a hospital and released. He also was not identified.

The Wabasha Street caves are a large network of caverns — carved out by sandstone miners in the 1800s — across the Mississippi from downtown St. Paul. Fire officials said the complex extends for miles along the river.

Fire Chief Douglas Holton said the teens entered through a small opening about 3 by 5 feet. Once inside, they could stand up, he said.

Three roses were laid at the entrance Wednesday.

The opening was sealed overnight with sandstone boulders, dirt and fresh-cut logs, Holton said, but the cave complex has so many entrances it's impossible to completely seal it off from the public.

Two entrances to the cave that were sealed after a fire two weeks ago were quickly pried open and people burrowed in, he said. In addition, he said, "there are entrances and exits that we don't even know of."

Cave visitors sometimes start fires, creating a buildup of carbon monoxide in the caverns, said Holton. But he did not believe the teens themselves started any fire Tuesday because there was no smoke in the cave and the group had flashlights.

Rescue workers found the group about 600 feet into the caves.

The boy who alerted officials said he briefly lost consciousness and fumbled in darkness before he saw light peering from a hole and found his way out.

"I woke up and tried to find some way to get out," said the teen, who did not want his name used.

In 1992, Annie Fries and Jill Huntington, both 17, also died of carbon monoxide poisoning, prompting the city to place a plaque at an entrance warning of the dangers of going inside.

"Somebody else is going to go through what we went through 12 years ago, and it's got to stop," Connie Lietzau, Fries' mother, told KARE-TV on Tuesday.

Three other people have also died since 1988, one from drowning, one from a fire and one in a cave collapse.

But the caves and their rich tradition have attracted many curious youths over the years.

A local brewery once dug some of the caverns to create earthen warehouses, and a mushroom-growing operation flourished in the moist, dark caves for decades. The caves even hosted a nightclub in the 1930s, the Castle Royal, and mobsters and big-name entertainers were said to frequent the spot.

Mayor Randy Kelly said officials will continue trying to keep young people out of the caves, but, like Holton, he was skeptical much could be done to prevent people from getting inside. For one thing, he said, the rock is very soft.

"You can take a car key and in five minutes dig a hole with it," Kelly told WCCO Radio of Minneapolis. "So you plug these holes up where kids dig in and they simply just dig around them and go in, anyway."
 
naw, I know where those caves are though, its horribly sad that those kids died, but its horribly sad that the cave system, a giant man made cave system over 50 caves big stretching the whole bank of the river on shepard road, will be closed off and highly watched

their deaths are partly thier fault and partly the cities fault, their fault due to the fact they could not recognize the onset of carbon monoxide poisoning:
1. Headache
2. Dizziness
3. Irritability
4. Confusion/Memory loss
5. Disorientation
6. Nausea and vomiting
7. Abnormal reflexes
8. Difficulty in coordinating
9. Difficulty in breathing
10. Chest Pain
which leads me to believe that they were either high or drunk, becuase I have been in caves and noticed the onset of this and gotten out fast, light headedness and jelly legs are easy to spot

and partly due to the cities for blocking off certain entrances of the caves (most of them interconnect) so that people wouldnt go into them, but this also caused the deadly gases to not be released and completely bottled up inside, there was also a smoldering fire inside, part of the release of gases, you have to understand that since the caves are built out of pure sandstone that any blockage they put up can be ripped out, or dug around, there has also been people making their own tunnels in the sandstone in a matter of hours due to its crumbly nature.
 
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