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POWERLIFTING VS BODYBUILDING!

powerlifterjay

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POWERLIFTING VS BODYBUILDING!

I spent most of my day and evening at a bodybuilding show yesterday. I was there supporting my friend who was doing his first show. He looked awesome, and it was clear he was a powerlifter first. He had thickness and legs that no one there had. He started his diet at 20% bodyfat, and was probaly )i am guessing) 3% at pre judging.

Now here was what i seen. He wasnt the winner. We knew this blck dude was. But i figured 2 maybe 3rd. But no way would this local guy beat him for 3rd place. Well he ended up 4th. Which sucked cause he was robbed. Everyone there knew it, it was a no brainier. The guy that beat him is the same faggot who asked for an AB shot. Ya'll remember that dude? He is small and has very little legs. In fact he weighed in at 185lbs at 6'1 or 2. My buddy weighed in at 195lbs at 5'6. But the contest was run by the tall guys gym that he trainined at. He is only part time at ours. Tell me that aint politics! Everyone was discusted.

Here is my point. I seen the sacrifice he went through, and didecation he has. I am very impressed with him. I actually have a new respect for him. All done so some judge can look at him and say, MMMMM, i dont really care for you. Your not (shit i cant think of what he wasnt) small enough. You have too much muscle! Hell thats all i can think of. But the fag he didnt have legs, traps, calves, forearms, and no thickness. They were both the same in there shreddedness. I will give him that. But anyway. All that work and the judge says i dont liek your look! Fuck that.

Powerlifting you put up or shut! Period. No if,s and's or but's. You dont like me, you dont like my style, tuff shit. I am last in the flight and your first. Nothing can change that. Yes there are politics in powerlifting. Like an invite (arnold) , a sponsership cause your a loud mouth, even respect cause your associtated with other lifters. Thats ok no matter what someone has on you in powerlifting, if they cant out lift you, then yes the may be louder, more popular, train in a famous place, but ya know what? They are not better, for you lift more then they do. Period!

Your accomplishements arent taken from you by a judge who is either gay or its a women who is maybe more sexually atrracted to a smaller with less muscled guy who she finds sexy or maybe she just doesnt like her men to big. Her opinion, (say that) her opinion , will make you or break you. I cant imagine the politics at the pro level with money at stake. I wont rule out ever competeing in a show, but powerlifting will always be my number 1!

And to my buddy who may see this, you did great! And i think you were top 3 and so did everyone else. You could hear a rumble in the (packed house) seats when you were not called. You know its politics, so head up and get ready for some powerlifting.

BY the way my buddy who competed yesterday holds the Florida State deadlift record for juniors in the 220lb class. 575 i believe.
 
well congratulations to your friend.. takes a lot of commitment to actually compete, and some balls to go up on stage like that. Sucks that he didnt get what he deserved, but thats how bodybuilding is. All politics

If it werent for politics, than Jay Cutler woulld be the Mr. Olympia, not that pregnant looking Ronnie coleman character.
 
politics is not just in bodybuilding. this happens everyday on alot of levels. it's who you know. it is absolutely pathetic that shit like this goes on, but it does. the sick reality is that so many of the deserving walk away unrewarded. it's nice to be part of a sport where this doesn't happen so much. i hope your friend is doing well. many times i have left something because i did not get what i felt i should. i hope he decides to stick with it and continues to make it up the ladder.
 
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Thats exactly why i got out of bodybuilding!! I switched from powerlifting to bodybuilding due to tons of injuries, but have recently switched back! I did about 12 shows, did place high in all of them, won one show, but in every show i was robbed, I did the southern states last summer, placed 5th, which is good in that show, but everyone was telling me 3rd at the least! Then you talk to judges, and they said, well, you need to be known a little better..????? What the fuck does that mean?? Because im not a familiar face?? Diet and kill yourself in the gym, and thats what you get! Ill never go back to that circus sport again!! Plus, in powerlifting, you help your own competitor out, you cheer for each other...bodybuilding, you ask a competitor to help oil you, he will think your nuts!!!
 
In my eyes bodybuilding will always be a beauty pageant and not a real sport. I mean, what's really the difference between a bb contest and a female beauty show, apart from their gender? If I was a judge at a beauty pageant I would probably subconciously favour the brunettes which I like more, where another judge might do the same for a blonde. Point is, there is no objective measure of beauty and bodybuilders are also basically judged on their "beauty".

I do take my hat off to these guys who work and diet incredibly hard to achieve their shredded physiques, though.
 
Yup, powerlifting is reality-either you can lift the weight or you cant. bodybuilding is bullshit-someone judges based on what they want.

Its like that olympic figure skating bad judging and sports that are based all on judging will never be as good as sports based on reality do it like powerlifting, basketball (either the shot goes in or doesnt)

Those bodybuilders do go through a lot of pain with all the dieting and everything so it must be hard to get ripped off by some biased bullsht when some cut but muscleless weasel beats someone who has more muscle.
 
This is one of the many, many reasons I will not ever get into bodybuilding. Another reason is that I ain't that pretty. I respect the competitors, because I respect anyone who works hard, regardless of their sport. But I have no interest in, nor respect for bodybuilding as a sport. It is a joke. The top level guys have reached a level of development that most people find disgusting rather than appealing.

Were it not for the deathgrip bodybuilding has on the weightlifting community, there might be a few decent commercial gyms, but instead we have these horrible chrome palaces everywhere.

Bodybuilding as a quasi sport died when Arnold quit competing. Back in the 70's and early 80's, when Frank Zane, Arnold, Franco Columbo, Serge Nubret, and those guys were competing, people interested in their physical appearance could look at those guys and say, that is what I want to look like. How many people want to look like Ronnie Coleman? Not many, is my guess.

I am an athlete, not a beauty pageant contestant. Different strokes for different folks.

B.
 
spatterson said:

There's also a sense of comradery among strength athletes. I have had the opportunity to meet and train with many, and they are ALL so willing to help. Almost as if helping someone do better will give them another person to compete with...and then go have lunch. I've also never seen people more willing to learn and teach, for love of the game.

We all have to have one thing in common to do what we do...we believe. And that mental strength is what sets us apart and brings us together.

This is what I like about PL so much so far. When I was doing BB stuff at the Y, nobody talked to me, I saw smirks when I think I was doing something wrong, I felt my body was being judged at all times (and it certainly needed work), and nobody smiled, all business.

Look at the friendliness of PL on this board. With Spatterson, Hannibal, and TheProject for example. As a newbie on this board with few posts and no idea what I was doing, I get an invite to join them. I meet them and they are cool, helpful, friendly and not at all like the BB people at my Old gym. The comradery makes you feel a part of something bigger than just lifting iron. There is no misinformation given so that somebody can remain the top dog, no feelings of superiority, just a group of people getting together to better ourselfs the best way we can. A team.
 
Powerlifting is all politics as well......don't kid yourself.

If you're on the juice and you're IN nobody will care.

It's the same thing everywhere. It's a fact of life.

-Zulu
 
thats shity , i saw him two weeks ago and he looked thick and cut and that was still two weeks out. I wasn't there but yoiu have poined the guy yu were talking about that took 3rd out to me before and he definitly had no legs , 6'1 got down to 185 shit thats just skinny. Oh well at least he can accell in PL now.
 
benchmonster said:
I am an athlete, not a beauty pageant contestant. Different strokes for different folks.

B.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The other attraction as has already been said is the comradery...everyone helps everyone. Back stage if someone blows out a bench shirt...usually a fellow competitor will let him borrow one. Have a question...just ask somebody and they will try to help.

In my gym I know that I learn as much from my teammates as they learn from me. We regularly sit around after a workout and discuss each others strength and weaknesses..and how to address them. We get stronger together.

And as for the comments about Powerlifting being politics. I am sure it is present to some degree. Some high squats pass....some uneven lockouts pass. But politics never lifts the weights. And if you are only competing with yourself....then what does it matter?
 
I agree there are politics in Powerlifting. But its all about getting invited or themnot knowing you for different sponsers. But if you want and you have the strength, well you can compete and lift and then you can NOT be denied.

One thing i noticed is there were people on stage that really didnt belong there. But they dieted and tried. People laughed at them and wispered , hell we did too, Quitely. In powerliftin i have never seen anyone laugh at someone for their lifts. There isnt much comradery in that sport. Unless its your team. BUt i mean amongst competitors.

My rewards in powerlifting come in the gym. My team, and man we are a team. Without them (as i seen in Indiana) its very hard to be the best you can be. BUt when i PR i am on top of the world. With bodybuilding your PR's come in bf% dropping, you THINK you look bettr in the mirror, or win a show. Which is good, but i like my PR's closer togther.

I didnt start this thread to really knock it, cause if you know everyone that you need to know to win shows , i am sure you love BB. I just felt bad , because in my and many's opinion my buddy was 3rd maybe 2nd. I say second cause the guy who won should have been second. He was in one word SMALL. In fact i walked up to or passed by many of the heavyweights , and they were all little. YOu could tell 100% my buddy was a powerlifter. He had thickness none had. His back density was awesome. Oh well he is done now , he will return to powerlifting, but we are proud. I just wish his first experince was what he deserved and not a smack in the face , by politics.

Powerliftin rules!
 
Yeah,

that is Johnnie Jackson, he is a freak. Very few can compete at the top level in both powerlifting and bodybuilding. Ladnier is another that comes to mind, but not many others.

For most, it just takes two vastly different training methods. Some, and very few at that, are lucky enough to be competitive in both. Kind of like Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders. Not too many of those type of guys running around either.

B.
 
I like strongman for several reasons...it is a put up or shut up game...just like powerlifting. It is all about how bad you really want it...and how much pain you are willing to take.

Strength training displays heart on contest day...in my opinion.

B True
 
i went to the emerald cup out here in washington some weeks back. i went to see a friend who had a wife who was competing.

one thing struck me there. no one there looked like they were having a good time. the people in the audience were all pretenders. they couldnt make it onto the stage so they sat in the stands leering at each other.

they had some pros in the back (stan mcrary, king camali), and some other freaky citizens. looking at them was cool, but they were all there to hawk their wares (proteins, equipment, etc). none of them looked like they wanted to get friendly, share advice, etc.....

the competitors were actually the nicest ones i think, probably because they had the discipline to make it onto the stage and could appreciate another athlete (even if my sport was powerlifting). but just the same, they looked worn out and unhappy.

i remember at the national level in powerlifting, everyone seemed to have a good time. someone blew a shirt, there was always someone on hand to lend another one. you could always count on someone else's trainers to help you out as well. lot more comraderie.

my concern with the WPO is that the money and showy aspect of it will ruin the comraderie of our sport. whenever money is involved people just get a little whacky. oh well. i have not yet competed in a WPO meet but hope to soon. i will let everyone know how it turns out.

any on here been to one????

/irish
 
Very good point man...at my last strongman contest I remember the guy who beat me cheering me on...and I him. We were all laughing, cheering, and giving advice to each other. That is what strongman is all about.

I remember Willie Wessels giving advice to a guy at Nationals last year as to how to beat him on the log press. He told the guy to make his 3rd attempt and hope that Willie misses his 3rd attempt. The guy did what Willie told him...and sure enough...Willie missed his 3rd attempt. Share, learn, and continue to share.

If we can't have fun competing...why should we compete?

B True
 
I have been to the WPO Full power meet to watch. Kinda cool. And yes i cashd 500 bucks for last year Bench bash For cash.

I looked around the warm up room and there they were. George Halbert, Kenny Patterson, Angelo Bardinelli, Arnold Coleman, Joe Daughtery, Louie Simmons, Rob Fusner, Ryan Kennelly, and a ton of others. It was an awesome feeling warming up with them.

When i got to Daytona to weigh in i was 6 lbs over and thought i would burn them off there. I went to a Big Hotel (the one were staying at this weekend) and made this mile long walk and went into this indoor pool area, and first face i see was Angelo Bardinelli in the juccuzzi. I asked him were the sauna was he said thorugh there, Kenny is in there too. I went in and there was Kenny Patterson. We sat in there for awhile, he had a digital scale in there so we would sit rinse weigh and back in. Lost 6 lbs in about an hour. Nice guys, and very helpful. I didnt knwo abou the shower in cold water after every 20 minutes or so. He told me about his take on shirts and how crazy JM is. Nice guys.

I am not sure if Pro Bodybuilders are even half that down to earth. They (pro BB) have WAY to much ego. And for me that is alot!
 
The term powerlifting implies competition. A standard powerlifting view is that gym lifts do not count, and there is a very good reason for this.
 
b fold the truth said:
Very good point man...at my last strongman contest I remember the guy who beat me cheering me on...and I him. We were all laughing, cheering, and giving advice to each other. That is what strongman is all about.

I remember Willie Wessels giving advice to a guy at Nationals last year as to how to beat him on the log press. He told the guy to make his 3rd attempt and hope that Willie misses his 3rd attempt. The guy did what Willie told him...and sure enough...Willie missed his 3rd attempt. Share, learn, and continue to share.

If we can't have fun competing...why should we compete?

B True


Bfold I know why it is so.


In bodybuilding you have more prize money, meaning that you compete for money not fun.

Since pl/strongmen etc comps have very little money, it is more relaxed/casual type of thing. You arent nervous about other guy beating you and getting all of your money.


Bodybuilding is a competiting, not a fun event. You are getting money, not trying to have fun.

Bodybuilding rules!
 
One of the reasons some PLs go for strongman/woman is because it pays. I have yet to see any BB below the pro level walk away with anything but a plte or trophy. I have yet to see ANYONE get paid below the pro level in any, except perhaps benching for cash.
 
spatterson said:
One of the reasons some PLs go for strongman/woman is because it pays. I have yet to see any BB below the pro level walk away with anything but a plte or trophy. I have yet to see ANYONE get paid below the pro level in any, except perhaps benching for cash.


pays what? what do you get for wining in pl/strongmen ??
 
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