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crulexis

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Sup guys, been interested in trying the CKD Diet... "Cyclical Ketogenic Diet"

Do you guys wanna post me your diet's , I wanted to see how people manage to remove all carbs, and what kInds of Fat's are used so on...

I'm guessing Carb up doesn't usually have a routine? you just eat lots of Carbs?

Again this is all new to me... and eating lots of Fat seems counter productive, but I'm sure it works..


POST UP!
 
Can you explain a bit more about your diet... I was never really attracted to the whole 80% or so FAT... seems crazy lol
 
:D

The premise of the diet is high protein (about 1- 1 1/2 gram per pound), moderate fat (about 1/2 g per lb) and low low carbs (no direct sources of carbs). During this diet, the brain goes into ketosis (it uses ketone bodies for energy-- fats) and thus the energy requirements by the body can almost all be supplied by fats (which you'll be taking in plenty of). The only activity that uses carbs will be the weight workout which may use 40grams per workout. You will get these 40g indirectly through the foods you'll be eating. As a backup, the cheat meal you'll be having once per week will provide a storehouse of glycogen (glucose) in case of emergency. So, you see, very little gluconeogenesis in the liver will be occurring. If we keep cortisol low (by
restricting STIMULANTS) we'll ensure that muscle is spared!

HAVE YOUR CHEAT MEAL ON THE SAME DAY EVERY WEEK, last meal of the
day so you dont cheat again.

Fiber helps burn fat! Everyone should take fiber 2x per day. Fiber actually helps increase the absorption of calcium.
When following my diet plan (which includes getting your brain into ketosis), there can be NO starchy carbs eaten!



For a 200lb man:

MEAL #1
5 whole eggs (make sure to buy OMEGA-3 EGGS from the supermarket. They contain virtually NO saturated fat and tons of good OMEGA-3 fats); add another 4 egg whites to this (they don?t need to be the Omega-3 ones; you can use liquid egg whites)

MEAL #2
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 ? tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)

MEAL #3
"Lean Protein Meal": 8oz chicken with 1/2-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)

MEAL #4
SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 ? tablespoons of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar added)

MEAL #5
"Fatty Protein Meal": 8oz Salmon, Swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar

MEAL #6
SHAKE: 50g Whey with 1 ? tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 4 whole (Omega-3) eggs and 4 extra whites

For a 250lb+ man:
Meal 1 6 whole Omega-3 eggs
Meal 2 8oz chicken with 1/2 cup raw almonds
Meal 3 50g whey with 2 tablespoons all natural peanutbutter
Meal 4 8oz salmon with 1 cup asparagus with 1 tablespoon macadamia nut oil
Meal 5 50 g whey with 2 tablespoon PB
Meal 6 6 whole eggs

Remember, it takes 3-4 days to get into a strong ketosis where your brain is using ketone bodies (fats), instead of carbs, for energy. Be patient.

Many times I'll switch to an alternatiing diet where one day it will be protein/fat......then another protein/vegetables (very little fat). The great thing about the body and fat is that ESSENTIAL FATTY ACIDS can be stored in the muscle for several days, up to 2 weeks......therefore, once an adequate storehouse of Essential Fats are built up, the body can be "tortured" a little and it still won't give up muscle (that's assuming you're still taking in adequate protein. Protein can't be stored).

1oz almonds equals 6g carbs (2 of those grams are fiber) and 2oz equals 12g of carbs.

With the beef meal (any fatty protein meal), you should have the green salad with 1 tablespoon of Olive or Mac oil INSTEAD of the nuts. Only eat the nuts with the LEAN PROTEIN MEAL (chicken, turkey, lean fish)

The best fat sources come from the essential fatty acids-- Omega-6 and Omega-3's. Most of us get plenty of Omega-6s from cooking oils, ect..........however the Omega-3's are harder to get. I recommend WHOLE OMEGA-3 EGGS, FaTTY FISHS like SALMON and SWORDFISH and TUNA and MACKEREL, ALMONDS and WALNUTS have some OMEGA-3's (as well as OMEGA-6s). ANother great fat source is MONOUNSATURATES such as EXTRA VIRGIN OLIVE OIL and MACADAMIA NUT OIL.....they aren't essential but they are great for the metabolism (great source of energy) and they are extremely good for your heart.

You're not getting any indirect sources of carbs (just from the 1 spoonful of PB.... you may want to have at least one 1/3cup nuts meal. Remember, Olive or Macadamia nut oil is predominantly a MONOUNSATURATED FAT (good for the heart, but not essential)........ the nuts, and fish oil have the essential fats in them. Also, with regard to FLAX SEED OIL, the OMEGA-3 Fatty Acids found in them (alpha-linolenic acid) has a very poor conversion to DHA and EPA (Essential Omega-3 intermediates) in the HUMAN........therefore, you're much better off taking in FISH OILS (that already contain DHA/EPA) than FLAX SEED OIL.

Once fat loss slows, I always increase cardio first, then I increase the amount of fat burners (clen, cytomel).........After those other methods are exhausted, only then, do I play with the diet.

Always eat BEFORE lifting........never BETWEEN lifting and cardio.
Artificial Sweetners:
The artificial sweetener itself (eg. aspartame, sucralose) wont cause a problem. It's what some companies complex it with. For example, EQUAL and SPLENDA combine their aspartame and sucrolose with 1g of maltodextrin........whereas, in diet drinks, they don't do that. So, diet drinks are okay, SPLENDA and EQUAL must be used in moderation (STEVIA BALANCE is fine though since they use inulin fiber instead of maltodextrin

Forget using:
-MCT's are a waste when you're dieting. If you're gonna use FATS for an energy source, they might as well serve a function in the body. MCTs are useless. They can only serve as a source of energy!
-Arginine is not going to do anything. It will DO something; just not dramatic.

Cardio:
CARDIO should be performed at a low intensity (under 120bpm heartrate). This will ensure that you use FAT as a fuelsource since as your heartrate increase, carbohydrates begin to become the preferred fuel of choice for the body. When on a low carb diet, you're body will break down muscle and turn that into carbs. Remember, Fat CANNOT be changed into carbs. Therefore, for bodybuilding, the rule of cardio should be LONG DURATION, LOW INTENSITY

never do less than 20 min per session

The BOTTOM LINE is that low intensity cardio (while you might need more of it) ensures that fat is utilized and muscle is spared (especially while on my high protein/moderate fat/low carb diety).

Do you feel the treadmill is better for cardio, or is the bike(stationary or recumbent) just as good? As long as the intensity is LOW, it doesn't matter which piece of equipment you use

Q&A:
Q: Is gluconeogenesis inevitable in your diet?
Dave Palumbo: NO

Q: If so do I need to consume more than 1.5 grams of protein per lb of LBM so as not to lose muscle?
Dave Palumbo: The fat spares the protein....when the brain is in ketosis, the carbohydrate requirements are very very low.

Q: How much (percentage) of my protein intake would be turned into glucose (gluconeogenesis)?
Dave Palumbo: Very little (maybe 10%)

Q: What do you think of submersion in cold water as a means of burning bodyfat (thermogenesis)?
Dave Palumbo: HOCUS POKUS!

Q: How about drinking lots of cold water (I think this was even suggested by Elligton Darden) to help lose bodyfat?
Dave Palumbo: RIDICULOUS

Q: Do you think drinking lots of Green Tea is beneficial to fat loss?
Dave Palumbo: Somewhat helpful.

Q: How much is the ideal dosage of Omega 3 for a 220 lb. individual ?
Dave Palumbo: Try to take in about 9g per day

Q: How many Tbs of peanut butter could I have instead of 1/2 cup of cashewnuts?
Dave Palumbo: 2 tablespoons, two tablespoons of Peanut Butter contains 190 calories and 16 grams of fat (so 1.5 tablespoon equals about 12 grams fat) ...whereas......... 2oz (1/3 cup) almonds (about 40 almonds) = 12g fat

Q: I want to add that if I cant find the omega eggs here locally. Can I use international egg whites and just take an omega supplement?
Dave Palumbo: You can get away with 5 whole eggs (regular ones) once a day........not a big deal. You'll be burning up all that fat anyway.

Q: Whats the max cups # of coffee ( no sugar ) can consume on Dave's diet ?
Dave Palumbo: Try to limit to 2 cups per day.......I realize that towards the end of the diet you may need more to help you get through the day.

Q: If you cook tilapia in macadamon nut oil?do you coun't the oil as your fat for that meal! Depends how much you use.
Dave Palumbo: If you just grease the pan with it, no!

Q: what is the protein,carb and fat ratio for offseason
Dave Palumbo: 50% Protein, 25% fat, 25% carbs

Q: and the ratio for contest prep.
Dave Palumbo:60% protein, 30% fat, 10% carbs

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the above part was copied from the previous thread started by Sick.


Female Diet

Alternate 1 day on DIET #1..... 2 days on DIET #2 and then repeat.

Diet #1

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Meal #1 - 12 egg whites
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Meal #2 - 40g whey protein
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Meal #3 - 6oz chicken with 1-cup asparagus or green beans
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Meal #4 - 6oz white fish (fluke, flounder, sole, ect.) With a green salad with vinegar & mustard (no olive or macadamia nut oil)
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Meal #5 - 35g whey protein or 12 egg whites


Diet #2

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Meal #1 - 2 whole (omega-3) eggs with 6 egg whites
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Meal #2 - 35g whey protein with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter
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Meal #3 - 6oz chicken with 1/4-cup (1oz) cashew nuts, or almonds, or walnuts (vary it)
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Meal #4 - 6oz salmon, swordfish, or red meat with a green salad (no tomatoes, red peppers, or carrots) with 1 tablespoon of olive oil or mac nut oil and vinegar
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Meal #5 - 35g whey with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 2 whole (omega-3) eggs with 6 white
 
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This is the easiest diet I've ever followed, but if you are not cool with eating the same shit every day it might suck.

My Menu:

Meal 1 5 whole omega three eggs, 1 white, 15g whey iso

Meal 2 50g whey iso, 2 tbsp ANPB

Meal 3 8oz Chicken tits, 100g celery, 1oz almonds

Meal 4 50g whey iso, 2 tbsp ANPB

Meal 5 8oz ground sirloin, 4oz green beans, 1 tbsp EVOO

Meal 6 5 omega three eggs, 1 white, 1 tbsp fish oil

That's it. I've dropped 14 pounds in a little over two weeks. I'm currently 204 pounds. I would like to end up around 190-195 and shredded.
 
This is the easiest diet I've ever followed, but if you are not cool with eating the same shit every day it might suck.

My Menu:

Meal 1 5 whole omega three eggs, 1 white, 15g whey iso

Meal 2 50g whey iso, 2 tbsp ANPB

Meal 3 8oz Chicken tits, 100g celery, 1oz almonds

Meal 4 50g whey iso, 2 tbsp ANPB

Meal 5 8oz ground sirloin, 4oz green beans, 1 tbsp EVOO

Meal 6 5 omega three eggs, 1 white, 1 tbsp fish oil

That's it. I've dropped 14 pounds in a little over two weeks. I'm currently 204 pounds. I would like to end up around 190-195 and shredded.

Simple is good man trust me nothing exciting about CKD anyways,
What are the ratio's or Macro's on that last diet? It seems quite interesting..

And what kinda greens are acceptable? Brocolli? Grean Beans? or maybe what Veggies should I stay away from?

And Are you sure almonds & peaunt butter are good? Seeing as they still have Carbs.. ( I guess not much )

Thanks btw great and VERY helpful post :biggrin:
 
The nuts are fine, just keep them no salt added...the carbs are minimal, it takes ALOT of them to hit a number that could even come close to kicking you from ketosis...I actually just started back on this diet yesterday. :) Cuttin up for summer basketball early this year...

-Legacy
 
This is the easiest diet I've ever followed, but if you are not cool with eating the same shit every day it might suck.

My Menu:

Meal 1 5 whole omega three eggs, 1 white, 15g whey iso

Meal 2 50g whey iso, 2 tbsp ANPB

Meal 3 8oz Chicken tits, 100g celery, 1oz almonds

Meal 4 50g whey iso, 2 tbsp ANPB

Meal 5 8oz ground sirloin, 4oz green beans, 1 tbsp EVOO

Meal 6 5 omega three eggs, 1 white, 1 tbsp fish oil

That's it. I've dropped 14 pounds in a little over two weeks. I'm currently 204 pounds. I would like to end up around 190-195 and shredded.

How is this possible? I'm confused on CKD. I don't know if I calculated things right or what. Here is what I did:

Weight = 235
LBM = 185

Been going for 3 weeks now.

Pre-Workout - 42 grams Protein - no fat, no sugars
Post workout - 22 grams protein - no fat, no sugars

Meal 1: 1 cup Spinach with Olivo, half avocado 5 Egg Whites cooked with 2 tbl spoons Olivo
Meal 2: 5 Ounces Tuna Salad, half avacoado Greek Salad, Black Olives, Feta cheese, Balsamic
Meal 3: 5 Ounces Chicken Salad, Greek Salad, Black Olives, Feta Cheese, Balsamic, 2 tbl all natural peanut butter
Meal 4: 42 grams Protein, 4 tbl spoons all natural almond butter

That's all I took in and I actually gained weight rather than losing. :(

What am I doing wrong?
 
So how does bulking up and put on muscle work with this? Or is that a bad idea to do a diet like this while trying to gain muscle?
 
I may try this CKD diet, can anyone design me a diet around, canned tuna, avacados,eggs,whey and PB and sirloin steak? Currently fairly lean 190lbs wanting to drop to really lean 180....
 
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