Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below When I tried the low carb thing, my poundages went down on almost every exercise, I felt like shit, I lost some lean mass, I couldn't remember where I put anything (kept putting my keys in the fridge) BUT, I lost the fat that I couldn't lose before around my lower waist and although I lost some lean muscle mass you couldn't tell because I was gettin more cut-up which made me look more muscular. Know what I mean?
Possible to keep muscle on low carb diet "without" the use of anoblics??
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Riker's first post hit the nail on the head.
The name of the book is "The Ketogenic Diet", btw. U don't wanna be on an Atkins, but rather on a CKD since you lift.
Low-carb ain't that great, we're talking about ketosis, which is almost NO-carb (huge difference btwn 20g and 50g!).
As you become more advanced look into ketosis sticks (ketostix) and ALA, and much later into insulin.
L8R.
The name of the book is "The Ketogenic Diet", btw. U don't wanna be on an Atkins, but rather on a CKD since you lift.
Low-carb ain't that great, we're talking about ketosis, which is almost NO-carb (huge difference btwn 20g and 50g!).
As you become more advanced look into ketosis sticks (ketostix) and ALA, and much later into insulin.
L8R.
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DaMan is right on.
The thing is, I find 20g (clearly IN ketosis) to be much easier to deal with than 50g. The 50 will have you teetering on the edge of ketosis, with your body SCREAMING for carbs .... this is like where you want to kill someone for an apple or a Pepsi.
Once you are IN ketosis, its easier.
I found that for me, when I first started trying to do keto diets, I had to drop to like 20 g/day (carbs) to get in a keto state. After being on keto diets for a while, I could drop into ketosis with as much as about 30g/day (its like your body "learns" how to switch over more easily). Then once IN ketosis I could increase carbs a bit (maybe 5-10 g a day more) and stay there.
I really really really think, that most of the guys that give keto diets a bad rap, have never BEEN in ketosis. They were "on the edge" - a SHITTY place to be. If you have never really been in ketosis before, you may have to go for less than 20 g/day of carbs for like 5-7 days before you switch (the first time is always the hardest) in a ketosis state.
Many guys dont know about the tiny, hidden carbs that add up.
Each whole Egg has 1 g carb. Each diet Pepsi/Coke has 1 g (they may SAY 0, but they are wrong, its like 0.9g). Cup of coffee - 1 g. 20 grams add up very very quickly. Even milk and cream has some (if you want cream in cooffe, you have to get HEAVY WHIPPING CREAM before you get ZERO carbs in it). The slightest amount of breading on a chicken breats at ALL will add a few carbs. Many cheeses contain a few grams. A packet of Equal or Sweet and Low - 0.9 g.
Yoy get to 20 very very fast.
So, I think many guys "sorta" try keto diets and never really get there ....... and then give it a bad wrap.
I loved it man, CKDs are wild. Not for everyone though.
The thing is, I find 20g (clearly IN ketosis) to be much easier to deal with than 50g. The 50 will have you teetering on the edge of ketosis, with your body SCREAMING for carbs .... this is like where you want to kill someone for an apple or a Pepsi.
Once you are IN ketosis, its easier.
I found that for me, when I first started trying to do keto diets, I had to drop to like 20 g/day (carbs) to get in a keto state. After being on keto diets for a while, I could drop into ketosis with as much as about 30g/day (its like your body "learns" how to switch over more easily). Then once IN ketosis I could increase carbs a bit (maybe 5-10 g a day more) and stay there.
I really really really think, that most of the guys that give keto diets a bad rap, have never BEEN in ketosis. They were "on the edge" - a SHITTY place to be. If you have never really been in ketosis before, you may have to go for less than 20 g/day of carbs for like 5-7 days before you switch (the first time is always the hardest) in a ketosis state.
Many guys dont know about the tiny, hidden carbs that add up.
Each whole Egg has 1 g carb. Each diet Pepsi/Coke has 1 g (they may SAY 0, but they are wrong, its like 0.9g). Cup of coffee - 1 g. 20 grams add up very very quickly. Even milk and cream has some (if you want cream in cooffe, you have to get HEAVY WHIPPING CREAM before you get ZERO carbs in it). The slightest amount of breading on a chicken breats at ALL will add a few carbs. Many cheeses contain a few grams. A packet of Equal or Sweet and Low - 0.9 g.
Yoy get to 20 very very fast.
So, I think many guys "sorta" try keto diets and never really get there ....... and then give it a bad wrap.
I loved it man, CKDs are wild. Not for everyone though.
Riker:
Couldn't have said it better.
My recommendation: Start off with 20g carbs/ed or less. Use ketostix to monitor your progress.
Because food has hidden carbs you are bound to fuck up, and the next morning you'll wake up thinking SHIT, the bbq sauce on the chicken had 5g more than I'm allowed to, I wonder if I'm still in ketosis. That's where you piss on the strip and see that you're still in, and that's also how you'll gradually find out how much you can tolerate.
I personally can handle up to 50g - that's a lot more than most bros, maybe cuz of my metabolism, maybe cuz I do more cardio than most, whatever. The point is EXPERIMENT, see what works and what doesn't. If you do fuck up make sure to keep taking measurements, you may find out you're more tolerant than you thought. You may also find things you don't expect that kick you OUT of ketosis (aspartame for some (not me)), etc... just make sure to keep monitoring your readings. As Riker said, the WORST thing you can do is be at the 60g or whatever, with really low carbs but NOT be in ketosis - that just plain sucks in every way.
Also, carbs right after a workout are not as bad as carbs, say, first thing in the morning (has to do w/ glycogen depletion).
I could go on forever, but the point is, monitor your progress and see what works for you. On a CKD you have a "carb-up" day, which is what got me through those 6 grueling days - I had a poster of Papa John's in my living room to remind me of the award awaiting me at the end of the week. Try it and let us know how it goes.
Couldn't have said it better.
My recommendation: Start off with 20g carbs/ed or less. Use ketostix to monitor your progress.
Because food has hidden carbs you are bound to fuck up, and the next morning you'll wake up thinking SHIT, the bbq sauce on the chicken had 5g more than I'm allowed to, I wonder if I'm still in ketosis. That's where you piss on the strip and see that you're still in, and that's also how you'll gradually find out how much you can tolerate.
I personally can handle up to 50g - that's a lot more than most bros, maybe cuz of my metabolism, maybe cuz I do more cardio than most, whatever. The point is EXPERIMENT, see what works and what doesn't. If you do fuck up make sure to keep taking measurements, you may find out you're more tolerant than you thought. You may also find things you don't expect that kick you OUT of ketosis (aspartame for some (not me)), etc... just make sure to keep monitoring your readings. As Riker said, the WORST thing you can do is be at the 60g or whatever, with really low carbs but NOT be in ketosis - that just plain sucks in every way.
Also, carbs right after a workout are not as bad as carbs, say, first thing in the morning (has to do w/ glycogen depletion).
I could go on forever, but the point is, monitor your progress and see what works for you. On a CKD you have a "carb-up" day, which is what got me through those 6 grueling days - I had a poster of Papa John's in my living room to remind me of the award awaiting me at the end of the week. Try it and let us know how it goes.
BTW Riker, off topic, what the fuck do you do against dry nose on accutane? I've been picking away at it all day and ended up picking out skin thinking it was a bugger and bled all over the place... I've tried nasal moisturizer spray and gel, they both suck.
Then back on topic
Then back on topic
serge
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you dont need to buy the book on ketogenic dieting, here is all you need:
http://www.users.voicenet.com/~petrizzi/fitness/ckdcalc.html
http://www.users.voicenet.com/~petrizzi/fitness/ckdcalc.html
well its like this..... ive been on a low to moderate carb diet for almost 3 years, and i know its not healthy it just became habit after a while. ive managed to put on 15 pounds in those 3 years. this was before i did my first cycle of sust fina and gained 25 more. so from personal experience i would give you an enthusiastic yes to your question.
Mac
Mac
DaMan said:BTW Riker, off topic, what the fuck do you do against dry nose on accutane? I've been picking away at it all day and ended up picking out skin thinking it was a bugger and bled all over the place... I've tried nasal moisturizer spray and gel, they both suck.
Then back on topic
I've been on Accutane quite a few times. For nose bleeds, I just took a Q-tip with a tiny bit of Vaseline on the end and lightly coated the inside of the nose (mucous membranes). It seemed to work even after the nose bleed had started. I did this every once in a while as a preventive measure when my nose felt dry.
Re: - Nose on Accutane - You can get nasal sprays which are JUST salt water (saline). They work wonders.
I think that CKD calc's page is fine, but there is a lot more to doing an effective CKD than what's on that page. Your workout schedule and type(s), what you eat, when you eat, what TYPE of carbs you consume on carb-up day ... they all have an effect. I still think the book is a good buy.
I think that CKD calc's page is fine, but there is a lot more to doing an effective CKD than what's on that page. Your workout schedule and type(s), what you eat, when you eat, what TYPE of carbs you consume on carb-up day ... they all have an effect. I still think the book is a good buy.
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