Pledge of Allegiance Declared Unconstitutional

[plornive]

THERE IS HOPE!

My view:
If the word "god" is such a harmless, generic word, one must ask why this decision is generally viewed as such an outrage. The "under god" part of the pledge is a recent addition to the pledge. Why was it added? It obviously has meaning to many people.

To say that "god" represents all or many religions implies the exclusiveness of a spiritual and monotheistic conception of reallity. Directly or indirectly coercing children into endorsing this conception is unconstitutional.

I have some questions for anyone who is outraged or upset by this decision: Why not just take the "under god" part out of the pledge? Why are you so outraged? If "under god" does not endorse religion, what does it mean?

Obviously, "under god" means a lot to a lot of people. This is the best reason to remove it and/or not coerce children into stating it directly or indirectly.

 

[plornive]

it doesnt endorse any specific religion though. it says, "under god" not "under jesus/viscnu/allah/etc." it is not endorsing any sort of religion at all. what's your opinion on US currency then?

"under god" implies monotheism, which implies spiritualism --- among an infinite set of possible beliefs. You seem to be ignorant of this semantic fact.

Directly or indirectly coercing the endorsement of monotheism is an action instigated by the majority of US voters. Why is this being instigated? Why not just stop?

You tell me.

 

[HansNZ]

it doesnt endorse any specific religion though. it says, "under god" not "under jesus/viscnu/allah/etc." it is not endorsing any sort of religion at all. what's your opinion on US currency then?

Say what??? If it endorses God, it endorses religion regardless of whether it is a specific religion.

 

[the nature boy]

ha ha, p0ink said vishnu, that's the dude with like 12 arms or someshit. 12 arms would be cool.

 

[plornive]

please read my post at the bottom of this page... it is the 7th one down.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153054&perpage=20&pagenumber=4

Kali. I respect you for your service to our country. I am also sorry to hear about your health situation and wish you the best.

However, your personal details have no relevance to this issue. Additionally, the idea that one must conform to majority standards and beliefs in order to be patriotic is quite depressing.

 

[HansNZ]

The world bends over backwards for minorities, like my man MP3 said "when you are white and stand up for your race it is called hate, stand up for your race when you aren't white and it is called pride"

This is a completely false argument.

As an example, people with blue eyes do not need to assert their pride because blue eyes are not considered inferior. If they were considered inferior then it would be justifiable to develop some sort of blue-eyed-pride organisation to redress the balance.

White people are not in an inferior position in US society (as much as racists would like to claim). Just look at social/employment/income statistics to see this. If minorities were not under represented in education/employment, etc. then there would be no need to counter the subtle forms of discrimination that give white poeple this advantage. Positive discrimination for minorities would be unnecessary.

If, however, an organisation is discriminating in favour of a minority which is not under represented then you would have an argument.

 

[HansNZ]

Shut up, you just showed us why you named your self cockdezl. People cant be forced to say it, but they should do it. If i am somewhere and i see some bastard not standing i will rip his ass up and grab his lips and force them to say "in god we trust" That is bullshit that they outlawed it. Government schools are fine, the government sucks, but the schools are fine. Catholic private schools are even better.

So you will use violence to force your values an attitudes onto others. Maybe I don't believe in the state. If so, why should I be forced to make an oath of allegiance.

 

[plornive]

This is the problem. The majority always has to suffer and adapt because of the minorities retarted opinion. Thanks to the liberals, P.C. will one day keep us from leaving our homes because the minorities might get offended.

What if the majority in the U.S. were atheists and decided to make people pledge to "one nation under no god"? Do you think that would be fair?

 

[HansNZ]

But these liberal dirtbags will spend money that reads "In God We Trust"

That would be because there is only one legal tender in the USA - the US Dollar, so they can't choose to use a dollar without "in God we trust" written on it.

 

[the nature boy]

you know, parents can have their kids say the pledge of allegiance before they send them off to school.