please read, especially newbies...

[BigDogg]

hey, i just wanna say something real quick. I've come across a few questions from people tonight, that desperately need help with their routines, and so forth. Honestly, some of the answers these questions get in return really tend to piss me off. I say if you are a newbie(2 or less years of training and knowledge, or under 16 years old), you cannot offer much valuable advice. Bodybuilding is not something that you can just assume answers to. It takes years of training to find what works best to progress and get bigger. Therefore, if you are a newbie(according to my guidelines stated above), it is my opinion that you should shut da hell up and listen to what the big boys have to say before you go around giving dumbbass answers like i've seen repeatedly tonight. So get some training under your belt, learn, and you too can be one of the big boys THANK YOU, and have a wonderful night.

 

[Phemomena]

just a suggestion

It may help these "newbies" if you correct them when you think they are giving incorrect advice... how are they really going to learn if no one specifically helps them?

also remember that everyone has their own opinions on how to do things, and just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they are necessarily wrong... more than one way to skin a cat, ya know! (i hate that expression, but may apply here). AND hopefully no one reading these posts are taking every single word of every single person as gold...

take some time to help the thread starter as well as the person you feel is giving bad advice, everyone wins in that situation (or ya could just keep your mouth shut and deal with the 'dumbass answers' )

just a suggestion, trying to make this a better place for all of us...

 

[Abbaddon]

ok the real deal phemomena, bad advice can actually hurt someone. A 16 year old kid offering advice to someone is not a good idea no offense to the 16 year olds but you dont know shit yet. Now you do need to understand that some people come here because they just got their gym membership for the first time and need advice on what to do there. Someone can give them advice like....I just hurt my back and I have scoliosis what should I do..... the answer keep lifting it will pass. There was a post not too long ago that pretty much went that way. That could cripple someone. I will be the first person to tell a person to see a doctor and I have been training for 12 years. Bad advice could actually cripple someone. Giving advice on putting metal plates over your body should be taken seriously and only by those that have the experience and knowledge to do so. So I agree Newbies just listen and learn.

 

[BigDogg]

Re: just a suggestion

just a suggestion, trying to make this a better place for all of us...

You have to understand that a lot of people come here for help, and expect honest, correct answers. I can tell you right now that not one person on this board wants an answer from a newbie that probably hasnt even been training longer than the person asking the question.

I'm trying to make this a better place as well, and some more educated answers couldnt hurt either. ... peace

 

[BigDogg]

Someone can give them advice like....I just hurt my back and I have scoliosis what should I do..... the answer keep lifting it will pass. There was a post not too long ago that pretty much went that way. That could cripple someone. I will be the first person to tell a person to see a doctor and I have been training for 12 years

That would be my topic from a while back.. Damn... good call brotha And btw, i'm feelin pretty damn good now after that, still a little tight on the lower back, but not bad. Thanks for backin me up

 

[Abbaddon]

hey bro glad to hear your doing well and I hope you took my professional advice as a certified trainer and talked to you doctor instead of doing what that idiot told you and kept going without talking to him.

 

[Phemomena]

i couldn't agree more with both of you...

i know its frustrating, such is the way with these types of boards, but we're all trying to help each other... soooo if you see bad advise, call it out!!!! definately all the way... make sure that the poster knows that what they are saying is dangerous, harmful or not appropriate to the situation...

most newbies will just post and repost the same stuff time and time again until someone tells them that they are wrong... i mean we can't stop them from posting (regardless of how much you'd want to ), but we can help them give the right advice... and hopefully practise what they preach...

sooo... all i'm saying is call 'em out when you see 'em... as much as you don't like it, they're here and they aint going to change unless someone guides 'em... (and they are usually the ones that'll listen... its the old stubborn ones that are set in their ways that ya gotta really worry about!)

have a good nite guys...

 

[The mann]

i have also been lifting for 11 yrs straight and if i may.............i think you are all right ,because big dogg and abbaddon want people giving the right advice,not repeating things without facts, and phemomena is looking to keep it real,which is also awesome. people like you make this board great...so thank all of you

 

[6(SIC)6]

I'm a newbie and i'd just like to let you all know that i certainly wont be giving anyone any advice on something i know nothing about, thats just stupid.

As for Guitar playing, anyone want any help i'm all ears

 

[Drigo]

BigDogg,

I couldn't agree more. I too have been lifting for 15 years, and have a few certifications and I'm a trainer. But at the age of 16 I didn't know a damn thing and would never give advice to a seasoned lifer.Although I would challenge answers to some of the questions I asked, thats how I learned and grew and eventually made it my career.

-E

 

[McBainXVII]

yes i fall into the 16 category, dont worry bro- not a chance that ill be telling a seasoned campaigner what they should be doing, im here to learn some more stuff from the big fellas

 

[BigDogg]

Yeah most of the inexperienced guys are cool about the topic, but I think we all know of the same few guys who think they know it all, and didnt even hit puberty yet... and to top it off one is the moderator of the Diet Discussion Board. But I wont give any names directly. Thanks for listening guys, peace

 

[The Dude]

Excellent post. I couldn't agree more. I still don't get that moderator thing either. Oh well, if I post like mad, maybe I can become a mod by default like some folks have.

 

[BigDogg]

Excellent post. I couldn't agree more. I still don't get that moderator thing either. Oh well, if I post like mad, maybe I can become a mod by default like some folks have.

bahah... good idea.. then we can all become true "Olympians" due to high post count

 

[GenetiKing]

I hope you took my professional advice as a certified trainer and talked to you doctor instead of doing what that idiot told you and kept going without talking to him.

I think I'm the "idiot" you're referring to. If you wanna drag that old post outta the archives and look, that's not exactly what I said and it's been taken out of context. My advice was for him to seriously cut back on volume and intensity (no failure sets, no heavy compound movements...just pump a little weight to stay mentally fresh and in good spirits because your mental attitude toward healing constitutes at least 75% of the process.

Well, it's really all irrelevant now. I just felt the need to defend myself from being called an "idiot."

 

[Abbaddon]

hard to have a good attitude in traction which is were he couldve landed by being told to keep lifting even without failure sets.

As for the idiot comment everyone is entiteled to their own opinion I just find those that could actually lead to permanent physical damage to someone idiotic.

 

[BigDogg]

I think I'm the "idiot" you're referring to. If you wanna drag that old post outta the archives and look, that's not exactly what I said and it's been taken out of context. My advice was for him to seriously cut back on volume and intensity (no failure sets, no heavy compound movements...just pump a little weight to stay mentally fresh and in good spirits because you're mental attitude toward healing constitutes at least 75% of the process.

Well, it's really all irrelevant now. I just felt the need to defend myself from being called an "idiot."

Sorry bro's didnt mean to start anything between you two, peace to all

 

[LeviathanX]

I disagree to a certain extent with the idea that newbies shouldn't give advice. I agree that they shouldn't give advice if they have absolutely no basis for their comments and are speaking only on opinion or something they overheard and did not research. At the same time, however, there are people who post on these boards who may have only been working out themselves for a year or two, but are board-certified physicians and have a great deal of knowledge concerning weight-training.

In addition, many newbies have received advice from professionals outside of these boards and are just relaying what they have learned/researched.

I say, encourage newbies with correct information, and correct newbies with wrong information. Even if they are 16 years old, they might know something that you don't, don't be arrogant.

 

[The_RAIDER]

GenitiKing being referred to as an Idiot?

Now that's, fucking hilarious...

 

[GenetiKing]

hard to have a good attitude in traction which is were he couldve landed by being told to keep lifting even without failure sets.

As for the idiot comment everyone is entiteled to their own opinion I just find those that could actually lead to permanent physical damage to someone idiotic.

Sure, you're entitled you own opinion. You have the inherent right to think I'm an idiot if that's what you believe.

Anyway, this is my last post on this subject since I didn't mean to stray off BigDogg's thread topic. I just want to point out that my advice wasn't simply to discontinue the failure sets. I suggested that BigDogg keep going to the gym, but only for the purposes of keeping a pump by doing light, isolationary, non-failure work.

Bodybuilders are a strange lot. Our egos tend to be as influential on our moods as any variable we encounter daily. Most of us become severely depressed if we can't train, especially when that constraint has been put on us unwillingly....and that can have a major impact on the healing process. Personally, I am more likely to bounce back from an injury or sickness much quicker if I still feel like I have some control over my physique and my fate, even if that perception may be an illusion. In other words, if I can't get to the gym, I feel like I've lost control and depression ensues. It's for that reason only that I said what I did.

Could it have been the wrong advice? Maybe.
Do I still stand by it? Yes.


BTW, BigDogg...How is your back bro?

 

[BigDogg]

Sure, you're entitled you own opinion. You have the inherent right to think I'm an idiot if that's what you believe.

Anyway, this is my last post on this subject since I didn't mean to stray off BigDogg's thread topic. I just want to point out that my advice wasn't simply to discontinue the failure sets. I suggested that BigDogg keep going to the gym, but only for the purposes of keeping a pump by doing light, isolationary, non-failure work.

Bodybuilders are a strange lot. Our egos tend to be as influential on our moods as any variable we encounter daily. Most of us become severely depressed if we can't train, especially when that constraint has been put on us unwillingly....and that can have a major impact on the healing process. Personally, I am more likely to bounce back from an injury or sickness much quicker if I still feel like I have some control over my physique and my fate, even if that perception may be an illusion. In other words, if I can't get to the gym, I feel like I've lost control and depression ensues. It's for that reason only that I said what I did.

Could it have been the wrong advice? Maybe.
Do I still stand by it? Yes.


BTW, BigDogg...How is your back bro?

Hey bro, what's up? Backs doing much better compared to how it was. I doubt its gonna get any better, and i think surgery is callin my name in the near future. My muscles are tight in the lower back in the morning, and now and then during the day it hurts a little bit, but nothing that bad. Thanks for asking

As for your advice, I kinda sided with the others in the beginning, and letting it rest, only because of the way u worded it, but after u further explained it, I completely understood. It hurts more sometimes to miss doing what you love to do most, and after all these years of training, it'd suck to be set back even further. Therefore, extremely light work could not hurt, just to stay in the game. It's all about how much you want it.

I'm out for the night, take care all. Peace

 

[GenetiKing]

BigDogg,
That sucks bro. I hope you are able to avoid surgery, but if it's your best interests for the long-haul, maybe you should consider it. It all about weighing your options how you choose to prioritize.

Good luck with it.