Please help me iron out my first aas cycle ever

[joe d]

i dont like the plan for your goals. i would do this instead

1-14 .5mg adex eod
1-12 500mg test e ew
6-12 50mg var ed

the pct you listed would work but its harsh and not any better than this

start pct 1 weak after the last test shot
weaks 1-3 take 40mg nolva ed
weak 4 take 20mg nolva ed
also use sustain alpha for the pct month

 

[russiandave]

i dont like the plan for your goals. i would do this instead

1-14 .5mg adex eod
1-12 500mg test e ew
6-12 50mg var ed

the pct you listed would work but its harsh and not any better than this

start pct 1 weak after the last test shot
weaks 1-3 take 40mg nolva ed
weak 4 take 20mg nolva ed
also use sustain alpha for the pct month

Hey joe,
Thanks for replying, I did have a question though, actually two. Why the var on the second half of the cycle, I thought the idea of the oral was to help jumpstart the cycle.

and why did you take out the hcg and liv52?

Thanks for your time

 

[goin on 4T]

Don't know as I haven't taken it. Sorry

Thanks bro.

Quick question. How much Liv52 do you guys think I should take , seeing that I am going to be taking 60mgs daily of anavar.

 

[joe d]

Hey joe,
Thanks for replying, I did have a question though, actually two. Why the var on the second half of the cycle, I thought the idea of the oral was to help jumpstart the cycle.

and why did you take out the hcg and liv52?

Thanks for your time

the var will help harden you up and get rid of the bloat fron the test. its better left at the end. it will also help you more in the tail end cutting on the cycle. orals can be used in any variety of ways. dbol is comonly used as a kick start.

i didnt mean to cut the hcg and liv52. i was just thinking about the changes sorry. run them how you planned.

 

[russiandave]

the var will help harden you up and get rid of the bloat fron the test. its better left at the end. it will also help you more in the tail end cutting on the cycle. orals can be used in any variety of ways. dbol is comonly used as a kick start.

i didnt mean to cut the hcg and liv52. i was just thinking about the changes sorry. run them how you planned.

Sounds good and makes sense. Is it possible to do dbol 1-4 and then switch to anavar for 6-12?

And yup I will be listening to sweeds advice dont worry.

 

[joe d]

Sounds good and makes sense. Is it possible to do dbol 1-4 and then switch to anavar for 6-12?

And yup I will be listening to sweeds advice dont worry.

it is possible to do dbol 1-4 and var 8-12 but i dont think you should do that. it would be over kill and the 6 weaks of var would be better for your goals

 

[RADAR]

Agree with joe,run var towards the end to help cut up,and in your log you need to be getting 2 grams of protein for every pound of bodyweight.
Add some Gear thruout the cycle to keep those muscles in a positive nitrogen balance
RADAR

 

[HarryHarry]

Hey guys, thanks for the tips and opinions. I should have been more specific when I spoke about the orals. I didnt mean to imply I was going to stack them. I know a lot of people really like dbol or tbol , but I am liking what I read about the anavar as well. Harry why do you suggest a higher dosage and longer usage of anavar compared to tbol. Is it because it is less evasive on the body or simply a weaker oral?

Thanks for answering my questions as we go, I admittedly am learning as I type in this thread. And I will continue to read the threads on the forum.

And sweed I will keep a dietary log starting tomorrow with everything I eat. I will have to look up how many calories each thing has as I go along and try to plan my meals accordingly. Sweed with the nolva and clomid only, is what I posted as a pct ok or should I bump it up a bit? I will read up on the other stuff you suggested as well.

The reason I suggest anavar at a higher dose and longer was because anavar is a tad milder than tbol. Also tbol usual looses its effectiveness around week 4 or 5 for most, so no need to run it longer in my opinion.

On your question for liv52. Buy the extra strength brand and run it as guided on bottle.


Harry

 

[russiandave]

Hey guys thanks for the replies. I will get the extra strength liv52 for sure.

Radar, ill eat plenty of protein for sure.

What do you guys think about this cycle update. Its very similar to the one I originally posted but with a few slight adjustments. One main adjustment is the double oral {not at the same time}.

5iu hgh 6/1
1-12 500 Test Cyp 2x 250 wk
1-5 50{too low?} tbol ed
7-12 80mgs Var ed
1-12 proviron ed
1-11 250 hcg 2x wk
1-12 liv52
1-12 milk thistle
.25 arimidex eod {i am prone to gyno}
pct
clomid nolva

I think the meat and potatoes of this test var hgh cycle are still intact, I am really just trying to tweak out the tbol to help jumpstart the cycle, as well as the liver protection and anti-e/ball shrinkage stuff.

I have to admit, I am very excited about this stack. As always, any advice or errors you see please chime in.

 

[russiandave]

now that I look it over, i have a one week downtime of no oral between the tbol and anavar. should i just run the tbol the full six weeks or is that one week off period fine.

and is there such a thing as overkill with liver protection. the liv52 and milk thistle at the same time I read was ok as a general rule.

i think this is a pretty solid cycle. i admittedly have no prior experience with AAS besides hgh so if you guys know any other stuff I should purchase to keep onhand, such as antibloating stuff, or stuff for sides that i am unaware of, please let me know.