Please help me iron out my first aas cycle ever

[russiandave]

Hey guys here are my stats
im 33, 6feet tall , 245 pounds, 15% bodyfat
I work out five days a week, and have been working out for literally 20 years since I was 13 but for the last 12 years in a very serious fashion. good form, good routines.

i eat relatively clean , i have a cheat day once a week at most.

Ok so about a month ago i started to take hgh. I take 5iu 5/2.

I would like to stack it with test.

here is my routine so far{from a suggested begginer routine that I saw posted on another site}:

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 tbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

split your tbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

if you take the tbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the d bol

Ok so far I have test and tbol. I was thinking about tbol but the original post said dbol. i just did some reading and a lot of people said that tbol has a bit less sides. and i just read that someone else reallllly only likes anavar and swears it is better than both tbol and dbol and has less sides. is there any truth behind this or is this personal preference.

ok so i did some more reading. id like to take arimidex as an anti-e
as well as hcg to help offset ball shrinkage.
how does this dosage sound:

hcG 250IU twice a week
3mg of arimidex/week

this leads me to my pct
ive read the most common pct is nolva and clomid, but there are a lot of variations in the dosage and how/when to take it. and is it better to simply take Tribex instead?

how does this look as pct:?

clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

So all in all my cycle will look like this:

cycle:
hgh 5iu 5/2
1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 tbol 40mg/day

hcG 250IU twice a week
3mg of arimidex/week

pct
clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

Please help me iron out dosages and timeframes, I would really appreciate it.
Also, if anyone knows about the anavar and tribex question I would really love some advice on those as well.

thanks guys, i really tried to read and do as much homework as possible before posting this

 

[russiandave]

oh i forgot to say my goals. i dont want to be huge. i appreciate others getting huge and becoming a monster machine but i am looking to simply lean down a bit after putting on a bit of weight. ideally i would like to stay at most around the same weight. hopefully drop ten pounds in weight....however i would like to put on mass and lose the extra bf.

i am sure i can do it.

 

[sweed]

Looks great!
dont need adex during the cycle, but keep it on hand.
hcg will be good the way u have it.
The only thing is pct could be a bit strong with some suppose like, sustain alpha, unleashed, postcycle, hcgenerate. etc.
what does the diet look like and how many cals are u eating, macro's?

tbol would be a good kick start, it wont add the bloat like dbol could. and will help strength gains start early while your waiting for the test.
mon/thurs inject schedule is perfect, anytime of the day really doesn;t matter with enanthate.

It's finally good to see someone that has put in their dues before starting a First cycle!!

 

[RADAR]

Hello Welcome to Elite,looks like you've done some homework, And yeah Tbol has less bloat than Dbol.

I would Suggest Tbol 30mg day and test Eth or cyp 250 Twice a week like mon and thurs.

I could help alot more if i had a bodyshot to go by. PM me if i can help further

RADAR

 

[russiandave]

thanks for the replies guys. i dont have a picture to post yet. is it possible to take anavar throughout the full cycle? ive been reading up on it and some feel its ok to take it through the full cycle since it is a lot more subtle than other orals.

and i guess tribex is no substitute for the nolva and clomid?

you mention that it is a bit of a strong pct sweed. what would you suggest as dosages go bro.

as far as calories go i have to be honest and say that i do not know. im not a professional bb and i dont plan on competing. I never really learned how to calorie count. definitely one of my weaker points. i just eat a lot of chicken and salmon. i try to eat low carbs but i eat wheat pasta when i do have pasta. i eat fruit and veggies a lot too. its really just a healthy eating habit thing and not really a diet. but honestly i dont know the calorie intake. i found that i do need some carbs though because being on the hgh 5iu a day makes me hyperglycemic {i believe thats the term} and i start to crash midafternoon if i dont eat some sort of carbs

 

[sweed]

no need to run var, esp with another oral.
sorry, I meant to say, your pct could be stronger, with the recommended supps... though some guys like the old school clomid nolva, I just added those extra's because they are natural and they have been preven time and time again to help you recover. They were Made specifically for pct.

you should really figure out how many calories you are eating. 10-12x your bodyweight for cutting, and 14-16x your body for maintaining/ bulking. So you should be eating at least 3400 cals , cutting can be around 3000. It is more food that you think, so write down how many fats carbs and proteins you are eating and add them all up, and see what you are eating. A tweaked diet helps everyone for the better. Kinda like me, I added more carbs, boom, lost more weight/fat, because my cals were soo low. Diet is everything

 

[HarryHarry]

You should not run both the tbol and anavar, either pick one or the orther. Two orals will not be good for your liver and kidneys. Whenever I run an oral I use liv52 to help keep the liver in check.
I think for your goals anavar would be best as it helps in the process in buring fat. Both however are very good orals and will achive your goals if applyd to a good structured diet.

If your going to run the tbol I would slim it to 30mg for 4 weeks to help with the bloat.
If you decide to run anavar isntead I would go 60mg ED for 8 weeks

Good luck brother

 

[russiandave]

You should not run both the tbol and anavar, either pick one or the orther. Two orals will not be good for your liver and kidneys. Whenever I run an oral I use liv52 to help keep the liver in check.
I think for your goals anavar would be best as it helps in the process in buring fat. Both however are very good orals and will achive your goals if applyd to a good structured diet.

If your going to run the tbol I would slim it to 30mg for 4 weeks to help with the bloat.
If you decide to run anavar isntead I would go 60mg ED for 8 weeks

Good luck brother

Hey guys, thanks for the tips and opinions. I should have been more specific when I spoke about the orals. I didnt mean to imply I was going to stack them. I know a lot of people really like dbol or tbol , but I am liking what I read about the anavar as well. Harry why do you suggest a higher dosage and longer usage of anavar compared to tbol. Is it because it is less evasive on the body or simply a weaker oral?

Thanks for answering my questions as we go, I admittedly am learning as I type in this thread. And I will continue to read the threads on the forum.

And sweed I will keep a dietary log starting tomorrow with everything I eat. I will have to look up how many calories each thing has as I go along and try to plan my meals accordingly. Sweed with the nolva and clomid only, is what I posted as a pct ok or should I bump it up a bit? I will read up on the other stuff you suggested as well.

 

[goin on 4T]

nice job doing your research! It shows in your post and it will definately show in your gains. Good luck to your bro.

 

[russiandave]

nice job doing your research! It shows in your post and it will definately show in your gains. Good luck to your bro.

Thanks bro.

Quick question. How much Liv52 do you guys think I should take , seeing that I am going to be taking 60mgs daily of anavar.