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asiansinc

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A friend of mine once told me that he'd been training one of his female friends. Apparently, she got too muscular, so he put her on some sort of routine where she consistently overtrained. She didn't know any better, so she just followed his advice, and now she's not so muscular. I related this to China White, who asked...

Originally posted by China White
What do you guys think about over-training your muscles to make them smaller?

I hate my legs because they are too muscular. I heard that if you over-train your muscles, you'd be breaking down your muscles, and then, they'd get smaller? Is this true? If so, how do I got about doing this?

A little bit of background...

China White said:
I don't think you guys understand. I run every day. My legs have almost NO fat on them whatsoever. My leg muscles are huge. They won't atrophy.

I think I need to show you guys a picture. Then, maybe you'll understand my distress.

I don't work out my legs. Not at all. My legs are big, partly because of genetics, and partly because I run a lot. I don't even have much fat in my inner thighs. They're pretty solid.

I've gotten some excellent information on training/diet from Elite, so I figured maybe yall can help her, too. Is there any way she can make her legs less muscular (or appear that way)?
 
There have been a couple threads posted with similar themes the past few days. They slightly annoy me every time I read them. It's just not that easy to get really muscular legs, especially if you are a woman. Guys have trouble getting muscular legs and they have much better hormones to support muscle growth. IMO, unless a woman is a genetic freak or using supplemental hormones, she will not have this problem.

Most of the time, and this has been said before, a little fat on top of some muscle, just looks like more fat. Diet and proper training (not overtraining) are the key.
 
EXACTLY what BG15 said.

...and this is a muscle building board, not a muscle destruction board.
 
What type of running does she do? Long distance? Sprints? While I personally think sprinters have awesome legs, I think they tend to be "bulkier" then the average female likes.

And if she feels like running is making her legs "bigger" then why is she still doing it? Why continue doing something you don't like the results it gives you?
 
yup, I want to see a picture of these women who have legs that are "too muscular"....

and see if it's really muscle they are talking about....
 
BG15 - I don't know if she's a genetic freak, but her dad is a small man, with really huge calves. Her legs are indeed very muscular with little to no fat on them, perhaps from running track in high school (I'll try to get some pics to post up). I agree with you on the diet/training being better than overtraining - the question is, how should she train?

Spatts - Not to quibble over semantics, but I had thought this board was about sculpting your body to your liking. China White is a small woman, and her legs are disproportionately muscular. Not wanting to look like a bodybuilder, she's trying to look more proportional.

Daisy - I don't recall what type of running she did in high school but currently, she runs on the treadmill at high intensity. She's running to expedite fat loss. She works out at home, and the only cardio machines she has are an elliptical trainer and the treadmill.
 
smoknjilly said:
yup, I want to see a picture of these women who have legs that are "too muscular"....

and see if it's really muscle they are talking about....

I don't know about the rest of the women on here, but having seen and felt China White's legs, I can tell you that hers at least are "muscular" and not fat.

I tried to get her to register and post, but despite my cajoling and convincing she said she'd probably feel too "intimidated" because she didn't consider herself "elite."
 
Ok, they are definitely not at that level of muscularity. She'd freak out if they were.

How's this...

Her legs are too muscular to her.
 
asiansINC said:
Spatts - Not to quibble over semantics, but I had thought this board was about sculpting your body to your liking. China White is a small woman, and her legs are disproportionately muscular. Not wanting to look like a bodybuilder, she's trying to look more proportional.

This board is also about doing productive and healthy things to/for your body. The things you'd have to do to yourself to promote atrophy are not healthy, IMO.

If she has a problem with her self image, then she needs to either change her expectations or work on her symmetry. My 26-28" thighs looked huge before I put on 45" shoulders too. Deal with it, or do something healthy to change it.

Wilson....yum.
 
So nothing training-wise can be done to make her legs appear less bulky? I vaguely recall reading somewhere on the boards something about Pilates...
 
I gotta agree with both spatts and bigguns15.

Man, I'm also soooooo tired of hearing "my legs get too muscular", or "I build muscles quick and easy".

Trust me: if you're a woman and saying or even thinking these; neither are true.

I betcha if we were to see a pic of this chick (did that rhyme?), we would tell her that her legs are not that muscular (maybe even beautiful), and that maybe she should add some muscle to her upper body to provide better symmetry.

Understand something else: women can be their own worst enemy. In terms of commenting on their appearance. Sounds like that's what is happening here, too.
 
Granted. I meant for lengthening the muscle... does Pilates actually do that?

BTW, I appreciate the time you're taking to answer these questions, spatts. Thanks.
 
slinky said:
Man, I'm also soooooo tired of hearing "my legs get too muscular", or "I build muscles quick and easy".

Trust me: if you're a woman and saying or even thinking these; neither are true.

I dissagree. If she feels her legs are too big, then they are. Maybe not to you or most of the women who lift, but in her oppinion they don't fit with the rest of her body. Not all women who work out want to look muscular...some of them just want to lean down and firm up. Everyone is different.

She says her legs have little fat on them. If that's the case, then she's developed more muscle than she finds attractive for her body. She says she doesn't train her legs except for running. If she stopped running for a while maybe her size would go down to what she likes? Maybe she should concentrate on doing upper body and ab work exclusively for a few months and see if that helps.

As for Pilates...I've been doing it off and on for the last few weeks. I haven't seen any changes in my body, but I do enjoy the exercises and feel a little better when I do it. Maybe she can substitute Pilates for running and see if she gets the results she's looking for.
 
asiansINC said:
Granted. I meant for lengthening the muscle... does Pilates actually do that?

BTW, I appreciate the time you're taking to answer these questions, spatts. Thanks.

How can one "lengthen" muscle? Muscle has one insertion and one origin point. How does the "Pilates experts" explain this?

Just really curious.
 
You mean girls have trouble putting on muscle? Whew, glad I'm a guy! And it's still a bitch to pack on the pounds! Legs are not proportional to her upper body, then I'm sure that'll grow easily too and she can balance things out by, let's say, next week? All joking aside, keep training hard and be happy your blessed with muscular legs if that truly is the case.
 
From http://www.stumptuous.com/crap.html

The Crap List...

Pilates.

Dr. Mel Siff, Olympic lifter, author of Supertraining, and strength authority, says it much better than I can. Here is an extensive post that he made to the weights-2 email list on the subject of Pilates. Well worth reading! In summary, he writes, "… I was unable to find any quality research which supports the claims of Pilates or shows its superiority over other well-structured multifaceted varied systems of conditioning. All claims to its excellence are based upon comparison with limited bodybuilding regimes and anecdotal testimonials by clients who have had little exposure to the wide world of modern strength science." Moreover, "in every single case where Pilates is compared with other forms of conditioning, it is measured against typical bodybuilding training and never against scientific strength training that has been used for many years in Russia and Europe to produce the world's greatest athletes in many shapes and sizes, all depending on the specific needs of their sports." I've seen the prices that trainers in my city charge for Pilates sessions. For the price of a single session, you could have a month's gym membership and some nice protein shakes. Update: a reader from Brazil wrote me to say that down there, Pilates is promoted as sort of a modified form of yoga, which is essentially what it is. She also said that sessions were very reasonably priced. So I must make a clear distinction: Pilates as it is promoted in North America, as an overpriced alternative to and substitute for strength training, is crap. Pilates literature here goes on about how strength training builds "short, bulky muscles" while Pilates builds "long, lean muscles", which is physiologically impossible (see Page Two of the crap list for more explanation[makedah's note: see below]). However, Pilates as a moderately priced, general fitness protocol for improving flexibility, balance, and body awareness is fine.


This is from 'page 2' of the crap list:

You can change the shape of your muscle depending on how you train it.

Pilates, for example, promotes its product (at least in North America) by claiming that it builds "longer, leaner muscles" as opposed to "shorter bulky muscles". When you read bodybuilding magazines they'll tell you that to get a certain muscle shape you need to do a certain exercise. The truth, as usual, is not quite as exciting or complicated. Muscles are attached to bones by connective tissue, which are called tendons. There's more to the anatomy than that, but this simple explanation will work for now. Anyway, people vary individually in terms of where their muscle attaches to the bone, and how long their muscle bellies are. So you could have long attachments and short muscle bellies, attachments which are higher or lower on the bone, etc. These things are genetically determined, and don't change unless you rip the tendon off the bone, then surgically re-attach it. You can make your muscles bigger or smaller, but you can't change their genetically determined shape or length.
 
thank you makedah! the only way i know to "lengthen" muscles is to grow a couple of inches!

asiansinc - if you find something that does THAT, please let me know!
 
Has she taken skinfolds to truly determine if she's dealing with muscle and not fat? That's the easiest way to figure that one out - if her skinfold is over 13 mm, her issue is fat, not muscle.

Quite a few of us genetically have larger lower bodies than upper, and we've all had to come to accept that the "largeness" was due to fat storage - gotta love those female fat patterns. And her fat doesn't have to be the soft, spongy type. My Mom is a good 100 lbs. overfat, and I can't do a skinfold on her legs because she has such hard fat.

With that said, in another post I mentioned how I prefer lower reps (3-5) and higher weights for lower body work. For the past six months, I cut out all isolation work (curls, extensions) and focused on heavy squats, front squats, deadlifts, good mornings, RDLs and glute/ham raises, and my upper thighs this past comp were 1/2 smaller but with much better shape and density. And that 1/2 smaller was because I came into this last comp about 1% leaner in bodyfat, BTW.

As Spatts said, to counter our leg size we've focused on filling out our upper bodies to become better balanced. Sometimes, you just have to work with what you've got, and feel blessed you have strong, healthy, muscular legs.
 
". Sometimes, you just have to work with what you've got, and feel blessed you have strong, healthy, muscular legs. "



true dat! Sometimes you do have to work with what you have. I have curly hair, and for most of my life I hated it, would do anything to straighten it which of course it would rebel against. You know what, I finally gave up the fight and let it go curly like it wants to, and it looks great and I am much happier.

it sounds like, genetically, this girl is never going to have long thin coltish legs. Its better to work with what she's got than so hard against it.
 
asiansINC said:
BG15 - I don't know if she's a genetic freak, but her dad is a small man, with really huge calves. Her legs are indeed very muscular with little to no fat on them, perhaps from running track in high school (I'll try to get some pics to post up). I agree with you on the diet/training being better than overtraining - the question is, how should she train?

Spatts - Not to quibble over semantics, but I had thought this board was about sculpting your body to your liking. China White is a small woman, and her legs are disproportionately muscular. Not wanting to look like a bodybuilder, she's trying to look more proportional.


In that case I wouold recommend she bulk up her upper body :D
 
She thinks so. Too big for her, at least.

She says, indignantly:

"I'm not a bodybuilder! I don't do anything for my legs! My calves are too big to wear the knee-high boots that I love! I can't fit into jeans if I work out my legs! I'd have to wear sweatpants! I don't do anything for my legs other than running!"

She's still waiting to get her activation link.
 
And she also seemed a little insulted that some automatically assumed the worst - that her legs were just fat, and not muscular.
 
AsiansINC -

I inherited muscular calves from my father (his mother had ripped, thick calves at 70!) - I can't wear thigh-high boots, either. I hate that, but I love my legs.

If she is genetically predisposed to having curvy legs, there's nothing she can do to change that. She can lose weight, but from that pic, it doesn't look like she has much weight to lose.

Frankly, this sounds like a body-image thing. You gotta work on the brain for that, not the legs.
 
Those are damn fine legs. Okay? You know, "head turning" legs. Legs to die for, etc.

I'm sorry, but I really believe she should feel blessed. Also agree with makedah.
 
Ooh la la. Very nice legs. Head-turning calves. I say work the shoulders & lats to even things out, if proportion's the issue. And have clothes tailored :)
 
asiansINC said:
And she also seemed a little insulted that some automatically assumed the worst - that her legs were just fat, and not muscular.

Oh no, I wasn't saying they were just fat. I said a little fat over muscle looks bulky and can look like fat because they aren't as defined.

Took a look at the pic, and her legs look great to me. Nature blesses us with different gifts, and IMO we should be thankful and work with what we have.
 
Never fails, those that have don't want, and those that want can't have.

She says, indignantly:

"I'm not a bodybuilder! I don't do anything for my legs! My calves are too big to wear the knee-high boots that I love! I can't fit into jeans if I work out my legs! I'd have to wear sweatpants! I don't do anything for my legs other than running!"

I have clients with neuromuscular disease. Their concern is when they'll be in a wheelchair or leg braces, not because their calves are too big for a f***ing pair of boots or jeans. You can buy custom boots and tailored jeans, but you can't change the course of incurable disease.

Better not wish for something you don't want. Like the client I had that used to complain about her boobs being too big when she was young, that was until she had one removed for breast cancer. Now the thought of having two big boobs versus one really wasn’t so bad after all.

W6
 
As for being insulted, if there is no picture and she isn't here to actually tell us firsthand what they are like and her specific problems, then people can only assume. Nobody was trying to say she IS FAT, we were just going off what is the case 99% of the time.

Now that there is a picture, that helps! :)

I think the general consensus will be that she has awesome legs. But that doesn't help HER feel better. Genetics is a funny thing - we can only work with what was given us. Her calves will always be "big". She may never fit into the zip-up over-the-calf leather boots. But she WILL fit into the stretchy ones!

We have to accept our stengths and our limitations. I will never be over 5'4". Ain't nothing will change that. I can sit around and whine and blame my height for all the bad in the world, but that gets me no closer to my goals. She has to learn to accept what she was given and work with it.

Maybe running, especially high intensity running, could be the issue. Why doesn't she try fast walking/high incline, the elliptical, or something else. Gaining the body you want requires a lot of trial and error. If something isn't giving the results you want, change it. Try something new. It doesn't happen overnight.

Keep in mind that cardio isn't the only tool against fat loss. Diet modification is a MUCH stronger agent in fat loss and body sculpting.
 
What kind of legs does she want? The really skinny kind that look like a pelvis on stilts? Yuck - that just makes a woman look like a giant crotch. Even on that show "Are You Hot", every time a woman with those straight skinny legs with a wide crotch came on, Lorenzo Lamas would shine his laser pointer on her and say that legs with no curve and that didn't touch somewhere between the crotch and the floor were NOT sexy.

Even when I starved myself to 80 pounds, my legs still looked "fat" compared to the rest of my body. It wasn't until I started training them hard and heavy and doing interval sprints for cardio that they really changed. They got lean and defined and I actually dropped 2 pant sizes.

Your girl is lucky to have the legs she does. Who cares about boots? They'll be out of fashion in another season or two. Rather than torture your body to be a second-rate imitation of something it's not and have to fight it every step of the way, take what you DO have and work WITH it to make it really outstanding for what it is.
 
Well fit, muscular legs look mucho bettero in boots than skinny legs. That's for damn sure! I've been able to find boots that fit. My legs sure ain't as curvy (which would be VERY welcome), but they aren't twigs either.

patsideleg.jpg
 
She has beautiful legs, hopefully one day she will have a change of heart. She just needs to take what she has and work with it she can build a beautiful body to match.....:D I also thought at one time my legs were too large for my body but after alot of time on these board realized that I was lucky and most people kill thereselves in the gym to get what came natural to me. She will appreciate them one day, hopefully.

SB

well I was gonna insert a pic but I can figure out how :confused
 
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Y'all, I read China White's thread and when she said she couldn't fit into her jeans if she lifted, she was talking about size 1/2...
 
I agree with pretty much everything that's already been said. Her legs are NICE! Gosh, why would she want thinner legs, hers are great!

I used to feel the same way, I've always had naturally big, muscular legs. I don't weight train mine at all either, instead I'm a speed skater so I do a lot of sprinting on my inline skates. So now (after years of speed skating) they are still muscular but now they are more shapely, I carry less fat on them than before.

I used to complain about my big legs even as a kid (before speed skating) and my dad used to tell me that I just needed to work my upper body to bring it into PROPORTION with my lower body cause genetically I was always gonna have big legs. Low and behold, years later when I got into bodybuilding, I discovered he was SO right! Now even tho I still have what the norm would consider big, muscular legs, they match much better with my upper body, after lifting for about 3 1/2 years now.

I have told one of my speed skating teammates the same thing. She constantly complains about her legs being too big and I tell her, well, unless you want to quit skating and start dieting hard (and even that's no guarantee) you're just going to have big legs, bottom line, end of discussion. So, what you have to do is build up your upper body to MATCH your lower body. I've told her that more than once already but I think she's still too afraid to lift, she's still afraid of getting bulky. So I suppose I will keep having to hear her complain about her big legs. Some people will never learn.

As everyone has said, learn to appreciate and work with what ya got! :) I used to always want to be one of those small, petite girls (what WAS I thinking, lol) until I finally woke up one day and realized that even if I dieted down to nothing, I'd STILL never be petite! My genetics are just NOT petite. Rather, I tend towards stockiness (as do both sides of my family, we are farmers of German ancestry), thick bones and I carry more muscle on my frame (always have) than most women. So I finally stopped FIGHTING my genetics and learned to ACCEPT my body just the way it is. Something to keep in mind is that there is NOT just ONE body type that is considered attractive. There are MANY, MANY, different body types out there that are attractive! So go with what ya got! :D
 
This thread sounds all too familiar. I posted something similar not long ago. However, I did take all suggestions into consideration, with diet being first and foremost. After only a few weeks of diet change and some modifications in training, my legs were not measureably smaller. They were VISIBLY smaller. Meaning they were (and still are) more defined, giving the illusion of smaller. Since I have not been able to train heavy for several months due to injury, some of the definition has gone but keeping the diet clean has kept my legs looking very nice or as my man says "Hot, hot, hot!".
 
A word about Pilates.

The main purpose for pilates is to strengthen the body's core - stomach and back - and improve your overall flexibility. Unless you have always lived sedentary lifestyle (none athletic) and have very little muscle development it is unlikely you will see any radical changes in your body composition. Most people will notice the improved flexibility and others will also notice an improvement in their posture.
 
Damn! Wish I had those legs! She doesn't realize how lucky she is...we all don't realize how lucky we are.
 
Cheetarah said:
Something to keep in mind is that there is NOT just ONE body type that is considered attractive. There are MANY, MANY, different body types out there that are attractive! So go with what ya got! :D

This is so true!
 
Welcome to the big calf club. I get mine from my dad - his calves are literally as big as his quads. I didn't get the long lean quads tho. My quads came from my mom's side. Ask her if she's ever been asked how she gets her calves like that. Calves are a unique muscle in that its damn hard to build them up if you don't have them naturally. I found ONE pair of those stretchy boots that go over mine & tapered jeans are a no-way-jose because they do NOT go over my calves. But I get all sorts of comments in the gym & even before I ever got serious in the gym.

Though she has very nicely shaped legs, I wouldn't go overboard with the "too muscular" view - she could definitely lean them out a little more if she was happy with a more defined look. But as they say, sometimes you just have to live with what God gave ya - and sometimes it ain't all that bad. If you have great looking legs & can keep them like that your whole life, you don't end up w/ the sticks holding up a marshmallow look when you are older.

And symmetry can always be modified by building up other parts to create the illusion of smaller parts.

Hope this is all helping. :)
 
Or how about big arms? I've always had muscular biceps, tris and delts. I use to have to wear long sleeve shirts, so as not to get the usual, "you armwrestle?", "how much can you lift?", and the "you workout?"

Several years ago, I decided not to care. Now I wear whatever. Tanks, shortsleeves, etc. When people ask me if I workout, I just answer with a "nah, not really" and walk away, leaving them with a deeply perplexed look.

I'd much rather have more muscle on the legs. Seriously. But, as has been said: we're never really satisfied with what we have.
 
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