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[missyd143]

is aspartamine stopping fat burning/z

hey i just wanna kno how aspartame stops fat burning? keto diets are soo ridiculus i think its easier to do sprints and eat some good quality carbs....i feel lows y on low carb and i think most of it is water weight...calories from good sourced of protein and fat and some carbs are the key ..neone agree

 

[KWKSLVR]

Ok, no offense but half of your post made no sense to me. English and in complete words please

Basically Aspartame, and a couple of other sugar substitutes effect some peoples insulin production. In other words it acts like sugar would. It cause insulin to spike, raising blood sugar, and shutting off fat mobilizers.

A low carb diet works so well for fat loss because the only things effecting one's blood sugar level is insulin production regulated by the body, not by the food you eat. It works on the basis that the person is overweight to begin with due to an over production of insulin, and not neccessarily a case of just plan eating to much.

It works well...as long as you follow the rules. What happens to a lot of people is that they forget how sensitive their body's are to sugar stimulation while taking in such a low amount of carbohydrates. Cheating and "just having one small peice of cake" can turn your average Joe's Insulin Production into a sugar producing machine that resembles a diabetics.

However, that said, like MS said, there has not been a scientific study that has shown that Aspartame effects Insulin Levels. But i don't think they've done ANY study's at all on it other than cancer perhaps? At any rate, there is "proof" that it does something because a LOT of people complain about problems like headaches, dizzyness, sluggishness, etc and eventually cured the problem when they cut out Aspartame.

 

[MR. BMJ]

GLP...as for the reason why you are getting different results from this weeks results compared to last weeks, I really don't have an answer. BUT here are some ideas to ponder on:

1. Your last carb-up might have glycogenated both your muscles and liver more than your previous carb-ups. Therefore, more glycogen will need to be depleted.

2. What is your training regimine like? I try and hit it hard Mon and Tues with the weights, and sometimes, I will do 2 bouts of cardio for each of these days to help deplete the liver of its glycogen faster.

3. Try using glucose disposal agents like ALA.

4. When did you stop your carb-up on Sunday? If it was stopped later in the day than previous weeks, then obviously you were feeding extra carbs into the time that would have been used to start the depletion process of blood glucose levels.

5. What kinds of foods did you eat for these last couple of meals? If they had fat, fiber, or slow digesting proteins, then your body could have been absorbing these nutrients for hours into the night after you ingested them (particularly the carbs which absorption will be slowed from by the other nutrients). High GI carbs and proteins will get absorbed quickly, thus your body can start depleting its blood glucose levels faster.

6. If you did your workouts earlier in the day on the previous weeks, then they obviously will get depleted before a week where you did them later in the day. Therefore, it could be a difference of between a few hours to a day.

7. I have used numerous amounts of sleeping aids with tremendous amounts of diet cola, and it never effected "me" or any of my friends that I have ever helped on a CKD any different than when we didn't use them. I really do not think this is the cause....Personally. I've found diet colas help quench the carb attacks, especially the first couple of weeks before your body is used to the diet. However, water is BEST!!! Some people "may" get diluted urine readings from the hydration effects of extra fluids added to the diet. However, if it is a problem, then just limit the diet coke if your worried about it...ALA may help ya squeeze in a few extra carb calories as a "safety" tool. I really do not think it is the sleeping aids that are effecting it, at least they never have with me. MS, and her knowledge of this area, will be able to give you a LOT bettter answer.

8. ECY stacks rule on these diets!!!! I cant wait to CKD this following year and use some of the newer topical applications by Par Deus and Macro.

9. The keto sticks, like the others mentioned, will only detect the excess ketones being excreted. It's our best tool at this time unfortunately though

***I'm tired right now, and brain dead from a long day at school...i'll try and add some more tomorrow if I think of anything...try and respond to the suggestions I....well, suggested, you look at.

BMJ

 

[MS]

KWKSLVR, I just want to clear up a little misunderstanding. There IS scientific evidence that Aspartame can raise INSULIN. But raising insulin does NOT raise blood sugar! Quite the opposite. That was my point. If anything, the scientific evidence suggests that Aspartame will REDUCE blood sugar, which might even be helpful in establishing/maintaining ketosis. The ketostix can lead you wrong, as the others have pointed out. I think this may be where DiPasquale got it wrong. Diet colas can act as diuretics, which will dilute your urine more than plain water or crystal light. This will also dilute any excreted ketones, making it appear that you're excreting less ketones when in fact you may be excreting even more ketones than before!

All in all, MR BMJ's theories on problems establishing ketosis are much more likely than diet sodas. There is no scientific or rational reason to suspect Aspartame as the sole culprit.

 

[KWKSLVR]

Well, given that fact, when your like me and you spend weeks and weeks out of ketosis (according to the strips which mean nothing) and you aren't loosing weight while following all of the rules and spending some of your days light-headed feeling stoned you start to ask yourself, "Ok, Why? Lets think reasonably". You decide to cut things out of your diet one and a time to see what happens. You start with Apartame loaded Crystal Light and BAM! you drop a couple lbs, the light-headness goes away, and you continue on from there.

Logical, common sense thinking would tell you that there must be something that has to do with Aspartame that screws you up.

What i don't think your realizing is that while "There IS scientific evidence that Aspartame can raise INSULIN. But raising insulin does NOT raise blood sugar!" may be true for the average person. There are a lot of other factors that we do not know about everyone else. You could probably drink all the diet coke you wanted and a loaf of bread and not gain weight while someone on a diet like mine would watch their blood sugar go nuts and put on a few pounds . Perhaps i worded it wrong now that i think of it. Aspartame may not "raise" blood sugar, however, its does enough to inhibit my weight loss so it MUST do SOMETHING. To say it doesn't and ignore this fact doesn't work.

If you are insulin resistant like me and low carbing as stricktly as Atkins can be, then you understand that your weight loss is dependent on 1 thing, and thats your insulin levels. For me, overproduction of Insulin results in increased blood sugar. Its irrelevent WHERE the overproduction comes from, its still an overproduction. Thats why so many people hate low carbing and can't maintain the will power to not cheat.

I dunno maybe i'm just rambling :-/

 

[MS]

Hmmm I see this is a charged and emotive issue for KWKSLVR. I will say that I do not believe the research in any way, shape or form conclusively indicates that aspatame increases insulin. I merely mentioned, for the record, that there is a little bit of unconvincing evidence that it can do this. However, if you really believe that increasing your insulin levels (without taking in carbs) is gonna also increase you blood glucose, you are certainly entitled to that opinion. It's a strange opinion. Try taking a shot of insulin while you're in ketosis and you'll see what I mean.

I cannot discount that KWKSLVR has some biochemical anomaly that affects his reaction to aspartame. All I can say is that in LOTS of human trials there is no evidence of an aspartame effect on either insulin or glucose. For whatever reason, I am glad that you've finally found a diet method that is working for you. But I make no apology for being and thinking like a scientist. One person's non-blinded, non-cross over subjective evaluation does not carry any wieght in my mind. But if you BELIEVE that aspartame makes you gain/retain fat when all else in your diet is equal, then you should definitely avoid aspartame, as should anyone else that believes this.

 

[Triple J]

Caffeine can raise insulin levels. I don't know about aspartame. Relatively higher insulin levels would favor the body going into a sugar burning state vs. fat burning. Thus higher insulin will lead to reduced ketosis and lower blood sugar. Insulin being anabolic could result in a fat accumulation rebound effect. It depends how sensitive your metabolism has become (generally pretty damn sensitive if on the keto diet for very long).

 

[MS]

What a weird post! On the one hand we have advanced bodybuilders that take shots of insulin to HASTEN their descent into ketosis on a CKD. Advanced bodybuilders prolly need this assistance because large doses of AAS/GH etc…. increase insulin resistance. At the same time we have a guy on this board who claims to be insulin resistant, but believes 1)Aspartame raises insulin (I would love a reference for this statement in humans) and 2) Raising insulin, in the absence of carbs, also raises his blood sugar, therefore PREVENTING him from going into ketosis. Hmmmm

"Caffeine can raise insulin levels. I don't know about aspartame"
The first statement is correct. The second statement is correct, I'm sure! Aspartame has been repeatedly tested for it's insulogenic properties for the last 20 years, and has not been shown to increase insulin OR blood sugar in healthy OR diabetic people.

"Relatively higher insulin levels would favor the body going into a sugar burning state vs. fat burning."
This is also true.
"Thus higher insulin will lead to reduced ketosis and lower blood sugar."
This does not make sense. You must reduce blood sugar to establish ketosis (unless you're aiming for ketoacidosis which is NOT a good thing). Insulin is the front line hormone for reducing blood sugar. Insulin resistant people need MORE insulin to get the same reduction in blood glucose as people with normal sensitivity.
"Insulin being anabolic could result in a fat accumulation rebound effect. It depends how sensitive your metabolism has become (generally pretty damn sensitive if on the keto diet for very long)."
This statement is very true! Anyone coming off a long term keto diet is gonna face some major rebound problems when they re introduce carbs. However once again, insulin is not the problem. Carbs are the problem. Increased blood glucose is the problem. One more time, as clearly as I can say it, Insulin by itself (without carbs ) cannot make you fat. The worst it can do is give you low blood sugar, but this is exactly what you want on a keto diet. All of that is off topic to the real issue here, which is the belief that aspartame raises insulin levels. I don't know where or how this belief started. My bet is someone who was sensitive to citric acid got annoyed when they drank some diet coke and noticed their strips were no longer purple. They must have made the fallacious conclusion that it was from the aspartame, and spread the word.

Anyone having trouble establishing ketosis should follow MR BMJ's advice.

 

[Hoffmeister]

Actually, I don't think, caffeine by itself, raises insulin levels.

I think the studies show caffeine, in conjunction with carbs/glucose, can produce higher insulin levels.

 

[MS]

That's right Hoffmeister. Caffeine plus sugar results in a greater insulin response AND increased blood glucose due to peripheral insulin resistance. However caffeine also increases mobilization of fatty acids, so it's a two edge sword. Caffeine is a great supplement for people on keto diets since once again, without the dietary carbs you won't get the insulin/glucose response. You just get an increase in lipolysis.