Please Critique My Cycle

[RexKwonDo]

Hi,
I've done plenty of research and have decided to do my first cycle.

I read the sticky, so here are some facts:

1 - Age: 40
2 - Lifting History: 24 yrs
3 - Height: 6'0"
4 - Weight: 208 lbs.
5 - Estimated BF% (Or at least, lean/think/fat etc...): 12-15%
6 - Diet: Controlled: 2,800 cals/day (protein: 40% / carb: 35% / fat: 25%)
7 - Goals: lean mass increase, decreased bf / harder, increased vascularity.
8 - Proposed cycle:

I bought several bottles of 4-AD (PH) before the ban. I completed 5 week cycle and had good results. Increased strength, mass and decrease fat. Training agression: Up. Libido: Up. No complaints No sides whatsoever.

I was between using Anavar or Turinabol as the steroid of choice. I was swayed to Anavar by several other's posters experiences, age, results and goals (in line with mine):

Week 1: 600mg 4AD
Week 2: 900mg 4AD
Week 3: 900mg 4AD
Week 4: 900mg 4AD 40mg Anavar
Week 5: 600mg 4AD 40mg Anavar
Week 6: 600mg 4AD 40mg Anavar
Week 7: 20mg Nolva 40mg Anavar
Week 8: 20mg Nolva 40mg Anavar
Week 9: 20mg Nolva 40mg Anavar
Week10: 20mg Nolva 40mg Anavar
Week11: 20mg Nolva 40mg Anavar
Week 12: 20mg Nolva

Since the 4-AD is really just Test, the Nolva PCT is just for the Test crash of that. Anavar apparently has very little HPTA involvement, therefore not requiring PCT. I put the last week just as a bridge with the Nolva to ease off cycle.

Anyway, critiques welcomed.

Thanks folks.

 

[bigtravis]

are you very gyno prone?

 

[RexKwonDo]

are you very gyno prone?

Hi Travis,
Thanks for quick reply..
Not that I know of.. Shall I say, didn't have any problems whatsoever on previous 4-AD cycle.

 

[bigtravis]

how come you dont start the nolva a little later into the cycle maybe a couple weeks before the end instead of being so soon.

 

[Ozz2001]

Hmmm i wont run it and i am that age too...Seems like a waste of time and good money for so little you will probably gain....But to each his own i guess...Id stratch the Nolva PCT shit and run estroblock from houseofmuscle you will find it to work much better and probably give you gains when off also..It blocks and boost's and i dont lose hardly shit on off cycles just using that....That cycles alittle wimpy for nolva anyways...Gl

 

[RexKwonDo]

how come you dont start the nolva a little later into the cycle maybe a couple weeks before the end instead of being so soon.

Thanks.. yea, my reasoning.. which may be faulty .. but it is based on what I've read... that the 4-AD should be followed by equal time in PCT..But, probably an overkill.. The Anavar doesn't effect HPTA, so ran it along with it..

Whaddya think?

 

[RexKwonDo]

Hmmm i wont run it and i am that age too...Seems like a waste of time and good money for so little you will probably gain....But to each his own i guess...Id stratch the Nolva PCT shit and run estroblock from houseofmuscle you will find it to work much better and probably give you gains when off also..It blocks and boost's and i dont lose hardly shit on off cycles just using that....That cycles alittle wimpy for nolva anyways...Gl

Hey, thanks Ozz.
Never heard of "estroblock".. But thanks for the tip.. I'll research it.
If you were using the same (4-AD, Anavar, Estroblock) how would you run it?

Also, what are your thoughts on substituting Oral Turinabol for the Anavar? It's a close second in my decision, but has HPTA issues, requiring stronger PCT. Why am I so edgy about DHT you ask? FWIW: My Dad had a prostate the size of Texas when he got into his late 50s.. (but most likely due to other unrelated issues with his pituitary problems).. I know what Hell he went through with the damn third nut... just want to be careful.. again, from research, OT is milder in its HPTA involvement than say D-Bol or Andriol.

 

[asianlover]

why don't you just do a injectable test cycle? like test e for 12 wks.

 

[RexKwonDo]

why don't you just do a injectable test cycle? like test e for 12 wks.

Hi,
Thanks for reply..
No injectables for me for several reasons. My next cycle will utilize Anavar or OT. Do you have any opinion here?

FWIW: 4-AD (4-androstene-3, 17-dione) is the direct precursor to Testosterone. Once converted in the liver by the 3HSD enzyme, it becomes Test. The real problem with PHs is conversion rates, not it's target hormone. I noticed that once I took over 600mg/day, the stuff kicks in nicely.

 

[asianlover]

i used 4-ad before and it is not even close to test. you get the same side, if not worse, and very little effect. if you want to use var and tbol thats good, but im not going to tell anyone to use any prohormone based on my experiences. why don't you just use tbol for 8 wks, then proper ptc?

 

[used2juice]

I don't agree with having a PH be the backbone of a real aas cycle, that makes no sense at all to me...

 

[ryan04]

For all the money your going to spend on var for that cycle I think you're gonna end up being dissapointed. I would definately run an injectable like test, or if you want something milder that won't shut you down too bad try some equipoise. Save the nolva for a real cycle.
The thing with prohormones is that they sound logical and good on paper, but they're nothing compared to the real thing. Good luck bro.

 

[RexKwonDo]

Thanks everyone. I appreciate all the feedback.

Ok, I'll cut the PH as the base. Here's a new cycle.

I'll just use the PH (since I have them anyway.. and they provide a good pre-workout kick). I do however disagree that they don't work as they worked for me very well.. but, I am a real easy gainer. In fact, I don't even work arms directly anymore.. no curls, etc. (19") and now getting slightly out of proportion with my lower body.

How about this? 10 week cycle:

Week 1-10: 30mg Anavar 30mg Turin 25mg Primo
Week 10-15: Estroblock (OZ suggested this.. Read about it.. looks good)


Whatya think? Do the dosages look right? I'm 210 lbs (about 12% bf)

Thanks folks.

 

[used2juice]

Thanks everyone. I appreciate all the feedback.

Ok, I'll cut the PH as the base. Here's a new cycle.

I'll just use the PH (since I have them anyway.. and they provide a good pre-workout kick). I do however disagree that they don't work as they worked for me very well.. but, I am a real easy gainer. In fact, I don't even work arms directly anymore.. no curls, etc. (19") and now getting slightly out of proportion with my lower body.

How about this? 10 week cycle:

Week 1-10: 30mg Anavar 30mg Turin 25mg Primo
Week 10-15: Estroblock (OZ suggested this.. Read about it.. looks good)


Whatya think? Do the dosages look right? I'm 210 lbs (about 12% bf)

Thanks folks.

If PH's work really well for you, why not just keep using exclusively those?

 

[asianlover]

am i reading that right? you want to run 3 orals for 10 weeks? i wouldn't do that.
the doses look on the low side too. i would stick with 1 and up the dose. at the most 2. i also would never use var at such a low dose. i think you would be dissapointed. maybe you should just stick to the tbol.