Pitbull Owners-Help Me out!!

[sardonicone]

Almost all the serious injuries and deaths from dogs each year come from Pitbull .

Care to cite your source?

Don't bother.

You blast other people for "talking out their ass" that's all you've done.

Enjoy your nuke, you arrogant, ignorant, Australopithecine.

 

[Deterass]

Care to cite your source?

Don't bother.

You blast other people for "talking out their ass" that's all you've done.

Enjoy your nuke, you arrogant, ignorant, Australopithecine.

Here you go sweetie......The most attacks from pure breed dogs are from Pits you pathetic excuse for an E-bully.

This was a Gov study with incidents taken from the Humane society.

 

[musclemom]

People, people, people ... I've posted this site before, but it's worthwhile posting it again. It's the facts and nothing but the facts about dog bites.

But in all fairness, you need to check this link which is cited in the article, but gives the actual details of dog bites:

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog Attacks 1982 to 2006 Clifton.pdf

 

[Deterass]

People, people, people ... I've posted this site before, but it's worthwhile posting it again. It's the facts and nothing but the facts about dog bites.

But in all fairness, you need to check this link which is cited in the article, but gives the actual details of dog bites:

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog Attacks 1982 to 2006 Clifton.pdf

Thanks Musclemom.

 

[mountain muscle]

45,000 people a year are bitten by snakes in the USA with about 15 deaths on average.

All snakes must die!

U.S. Motor-Vehicle Fatalities by Type and State
2002
Passenger Car Occupants1 Pickup, Utility Vehicle, and Van Occupants2 Large Truck Occupants Motorcyclists Pedestrians
State Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%)
Alabama 590 57 296 29 18 2 42 4 60 6
Alaska 29 33 25 29 18 21 12 14 14 16
Arizona 483 43 295 26 15 1 92 8 154 14
Arkansas 303 47 224 35 21 3 37 6 33 5
California 1,943 48 885 22 57 1 317 8 707 17
Colorado 323 44 252 34 8 1 71 10 69 9
Connecticut 170 53 47 15 3 1 44 14 50 16
Delaware 73 59 20 16 2 2 6 5 16 13
District of Columbia 27 57 4 9 2 4 7 15 7 15
Florida 1,433 46 699 22 43 1 304 10 487 16
Georgia 766 50 431 28 28 2 85 6 161 11
Hawaii 41 34 14 12 1 1 22 18 33 28
Idaho 118 45 101 38 6 2 11 4 15 6
Illinois 807 57 255 18 19 1 97 7 186 13
Indiana 448 57 174 22 16 2 86 11 53 7
Iowa 220 54 99 25 13 3 41 10 19 5
Kansas 282 55 148 29 10 2 30 6 23 4
Kentucky 499 55 260 28 17 2 44 5 55 6
Louisiana 394 45 271 31 15 2 66 8 93 11
Maine 125 58 55 25 2 1 13 6 14 6
Maryland 388 59 101 15 5 1 46 7 104 16
Massachusetts 252 55 78 17 1 0 58 13 59 13
Michigan 702 55 253 20 8 1 84 7 175 14
Minnesota 368 56 165 25 9 1 47 7 50 8
Mississippi 512 58 267 30 13 1 26 3 55 6
Missouri 631 52 358 30 23 2 57 5 87 7
Montana 97 36 125 46 5 2 24 9 14 5
Nebraska 159 52 97 32 14 5 15 5 12 4
Nevada 174 46 104 27 2 1 34 9 52 14
New Hampshire 78 61 26 20 2 2 12 9 6 5
New Jersey 331 43 71 9 7 1 41 5 178 23
New Mexico 168 37 153 34 17 4 31 7 60 13
New York 739 49 216 14 13 1 141 9 336 22
North Carolina 855 54 356 23 33 2 114 7 176 11
North Dakota 46 47 41 42 4 4 1 1 2 2
Ohio 858 61 281 20 21 1 131 9 87 6
Oklahoma 360 49 238 32 24 3 38 5 53 7
Oregon 213 49 127 29 4 1 26 6 48 11
Pennsylvania 962 60 292 18 20 1 132 8 153 9
Rhode Island 54 64 10 12 20 24 9 11 9 11
South Carolina 566 54 267 25 10 1 86 8 98 9
South Dakota 83 46 62 34 6 3 19 11 8 4
Tennessee 672 57 308 26 21 2 74 6 72 6
Texas 1,697 46 1,212 33 53 1 245 7 397 11
Utah 139 42 118 36 10 3 18 5 25 8
Vermont 45 58 21 27 1 1 5 6 4 5
Virginia 516 56 204 22 17 2 49 5 88 10
Washington 338 51 165 25 10 2 53 8 69 10
West Virginia 240 55 115 26 10 2 29 7 28 6
Wisconsin 449 56 186 23 7 1 78 10 50 6
Wyoming 70 40 72 41 6 3 12 7 4 2
U.S. Total 21,836 51 10,644 25 670 2 3,162 7 4,808 11
1. Includes minivans.

2. Includes cargo and large vans.


Since the vehicles cannot drive themselves, all drivers must be banned and put to death too. Or would you prefer just the top two states?

 

[rykertest]

45,000 people a year are bitten by snakes in the USA with about 15 deaths on average.

All snakes must die!

U.S. Motor-Vehicle Fatalities by Type and State
2002
Passenger Car Occupants1 Pickup, Utility Vehicle, and Van Occupants2 Large Truck Occupants Motorcyclists Pedestrians
State Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%) Number Share of Total (%)
Alabama 590 57 296 29 18 2 42 4 60 6
Alaska 29 33 25 29 18 21 12 14 14 16
Arizona 483 43 295 26 15 1 92 8 154 14
Arkansas 303 47 224 35 21 3 37 6 33 5
California 1,943 48 885 22 57 1 317 8 707 17
Colorado 323 44 252 34 8 1 71 10 69 9
Connecticut 170 53 47 15 3 1 44 14 50 16
Delaware 73 59 20 16 2 2 6 5 16 13
District of Columbia 27 57 4 9 2 4 7 15 7 15
Florida 1,433 46 699 22 43 1 304 10 487 16
Georgia 766 50 431 28 28 2 85 6 161 11
Hawaii 41 34 14 12 1 1 22 18 33 28
Idaho 118 45 101 38 6 2 11 4 15 6
Illinois 807 57 255 18 19 1 97 7 186 13
Indiana 448 57 174 22 16 2 86 11 53 7
Iowa 220 54 99 25 13 3 41 10 19 5
Kansas 282 55 148 29 10 2 30 6 23 4
Kentucky 499 55 260 28 17 2 44 5 55 6
Louisiana 394 45 271 31 15 2 66 8 93 11
Maine 125 58 55 25 2 1 13 6 14 6
Maryland 388 59 101 15 5 1 46 7 104 16
Massachusetts 252 55 78 17 1 0 58 13 59 13
Michigan 702 55 253 20 8 1 84 7 175 14
Minnesota 368 56 165 25 9 1 47 7 50 8
Mississippi 512 58 267 30 13 1 26 3 55 6
Missouri 631 52 358 30 23 2 57 5 87 7
Montana 97 36 125 46 5 2 24 9 14 5
Nebraska 159 52 97 32 14 5 15 5 12 4
Nevada 174 46 104 27 2 1 34 9 52 14
New Hampshire 78 61 26 20 2 2 12 9 6 5
New Jersey 331 43 71 9 7 1 41 5 178 23
New Mexico 168 37 153 34 17 4 31 7 60 13
New York 739 49 216 14 13 1 141 9 336 22
North Carolina 855 54 356 23 33 2 114 7 176 11
North Dakota 46 47 41 42 4 4 1 1 2 2
Ohio 858 61 281 20 21 1 131 9 87 6
Oklahoma 360 49 238 32 24 3 38 5 53 7
Oregon 213 49 127 29 4 1 26 6 48 11
Pennsylvania 962 60 292 18 20 1 132 8 153 9
Rhode Island 54 64 10 12 20 24 9 11 9 11
South Carolina 566 54 267 25 10 1 86 8 98 9
South Dakota 83 46 62 34 6 3 19 11 8 4
Tennessee 672 57 308 26 21 2 74 6 72 6
Texas 1,697 46 1,212 33 53 1 245 7 397 11
Utah 139 42 118 36 10 3 18 5 25 8
Vermont 45 58 21 27 1 1 5 6 4 5
Virginia 516 56 204 22 17 2 49 5 88 10
Washington 338 51 165 25 10 2 53 8 69 10
West Virginia 240 55 115 26 10 2 29 7 28 6
Wisconsin 449 56 186 23 7 1 78 10 50 6
Wyoming 70 40 72 41 6 3 12 7 4 2
U.S. Total 21,836 51 10,644 25 670 2 3,162 7 4,808 11
1. Includes minivans.

2. Includes cargo and large vans.


Since the vehicles cannot drive themselves, all drivers must be banned and put to death too. Or would you prefer just the top two states?

You forgot the car makers themselves. I say we kill anyone working for ford GM.

It's easy for people to blame the dog and ignore all the other circumstances around it, specifically the owners. Yes these dogs are a responsibility, but it blows my mind that these dogs are treated like crap by ignorant owners, they bite someone (lets say for this debate outside their own home/yard) and the owners don't even get a slap on the wrist. The anti pit bull society (or whatever group is the flavor of the month) wants to ban dogs and does nothing about what got these dogs to be pissy little balls of hate to begin with!!! I mean seriously WTF?!?!?!?!?! Ever heard of cause and effect people? Stop blaming the end result and start looking at the begining of this isssue. How would you feel after being chained to a stake in your front yard for 2 years with no love, attention, ability to run and play and sometimes not even fed regularly? I'd be a bit perturbed if I do say so myself.

It's like with guns. Responsible gun owners (which FAR out weight the idiots and criminals) and chastised for owning guns and defending that freedom because of what some other ignorant fool does. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I say the same applies to these types of powerful breeds. I've had what is considered vicious breeds in the past and I'm looking to get some more since mine got old and had to be put down. My dogs never bit anyone, never snarled at anyone and were overall great dogs. WHY YOU ASK?????
Because I took the time to train and instruct this animal. WHY YOU ASK???
Because thats what a responsible person using the brain god gave them does. It's called doing the right thing.


I beleive that people with any felony or people with certain types of mist. such as assault and battery etc should not be allowed to own any type of dog over say 30 lbs, or to own pits, rotties, akita, german shepherds, etc. If they are caught with one, make the punishment harsh so it's an effective detterant. But nnnooooo; Americans want to frigin hug it out as opposed to actually enforcing the dadgum law.

Stop blaming a dog for what the owner does or does not do to it.

 

[musclemom]

45,000 people a year are bitten by snakes in the USA with about 15 deaths on average.

All snakes must die!

...

U.S. Motor-Vehicle Fatalities by Type and State
Since the vehicles cannot drive themselves, all drivers must be banned and put to death too. Or would you prefer just the top two states?

A very valid point.

Please don't misinterpret what I was attempting to express. I'm not saying yay or nay for any dog breed. I did animal rescue for way too many years. Any animal that has teeth can bite, short and sweet, and that includes humans. Biting neither makes any animal bad nor good, for animals can be nothing other than what they are, which is what their genetics predispose them to be and their environment (their humans) teaches/trains them to be.

It is the height of stupidity and stubborn blindness to deny that specific breeds of dogs are more prone to bite incidents, short and sweet. Guard or defensive breeds are responsible for more bite incidents, that doesn't make the dogs wrong, that makes their owners stupid, ignorant or inattentive.

If you own a dog breed that has a reputation for being aggressive you have a responsibility to do what is necessary to ensure that dog does not present a threat to people. If you are not willing to take those steps, then you should not own that dog.

However, I have seen people do very stupid, stupid things. My father owned two very aggressive german shepards, they were NEVER locked inside the house (they had free run between a fenced yard and a shed that had a dog door). The ONLY time someone was EVER bitten was when we took the dog to a stable and a stranger reached to pet my father's dog. THREE people screamed "DO NOT TOUCH THAT DOG!" and the person looked right at us and said, "But he's wagging his tail." and proceeded to pet the dog, and got bitten. Now, who's at fault? The owner of the dog who was saying, "Do not touch that dog." or the person who was bitten because he chose to ignore the warning that he was placing himself in danger?

 

[mountain muscle]

A very valid point.

Please don't misinterpret what I was attempting to express. I'm not saying yay or nay for any dog breed. I did animal rescue for way too many years. Any animal that has teeth can bite, short and sweet, and that includes humans. Biting neither makes any animal bad nor good, for animals can be nothing other than what they are, which is what their genetics predispose them to be and their environment (their humans) teaches/trains them to be.

It is the height of stupidity and stubborn blindness to deny that specific breeds of dogs are more prone to bite incidents, short and sweet. Guard or defensive breeds are responsible for more bite incidents, that doesn't make the dogs wrong, that makes their owners stupid, ignorant or inattentive.

If you own a dog breed that has a reputation for being aggressive you have a responsibility to do what is necessary to ensure that dog does not present a threat to people. If you are not willing to take those steps, then you should not own that dog.

However, I have seen people do very stupid, stupid things. My father owned two very aggressive german shepards, they were NEVER locked inside the house (they had free run between a fenced yard and a shed that had a dog door). The ONLY time someone was EVER bitten was when we took the dog to a stable and a stranger reached to pet my father's dog. THREE people screamed "DO NOT TOUCH THAT DOG!" and the person looked right at us and said, "But he's wagging his tail." and proceeded to pet the dog, and got bitten. Now, who's at fault? The owner of the dog who was saying, "Do not touch that dog." or the person who was bitten because he chose to ignore the warning that he was placing himself in danger?

Good points MM.

Another page from the website you posted the link from that people need to read.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite

 

[sardonicone]

......The most attacks from pure breed dogs are from Pits you pathetic excuse for an E-bully.

This was a Gov study with incidents taken from the Humane society.

Almost all the serious injuries and deaths from dogs each year come from Pitbull

I fail to see how that study proves the second quote, at all.

Want to examine the terms you used?

Almost: nearly

not exactly, not yet, or not in fact, but very close to being or happening as described

All: The Whole of

adjective used to indicate that the whole of a particular amount, area, quantity, or thing is involved or affected.

I’d say that means to be “almost all” you need to have an overwhelming majority of the bites be from Pit Bulls.

IF one decides to, oh I don’t know, DO the math on the nice little graphic you so erroneously displayed (thinking it would help your cause, it doesn’t) you come up with Pit Bulls being responsible for 66/244 (or 238, your image cuts off so I can’t tell if the “T” symbol is for crossbreeds being counted twice) of all reported dog “attacks” from the years 1979-1998.

Now, as we’ve all learned division, let’s see what that percentage adds up to, shall we?

66/238 (I’ll use the lower number, allowing that some were crossbreeds of other dogs on that list) = 27.7% of all reported Dog Bites were Caused by a Pitbull.

Hell, even if we break it down to just including purebred dog bites, as you decided to change your own criteria to try and strengthen your argument, we get 66/180 out of all Purebred Bites (or 36.6%).

Where does this “almost all” bs come in?

Here, I know, let’s do another fun thing with numbers, shall we?

We get 66 reported incidents over the span of 20 years. What does that add up to?

3.3 incidents a year. How many Pitbull dogs do you think are in the United States? Care to take a guess? If there are roughly 50 million dogs in the United States, how many are pitbulls? 1%? 5%? Even at 1 percent, you’re looking at 50 THOUSAND pit bulls running around. 3.3 attacks per year against a population of 50 thousand plus? Man, I’d say that isn’t so bad.

In 1998 alone there were an estimated 8.1 million Americans were victims of violent crimes. So that’s what, 1 in 30-35? Pit Bull attacks were what, 1 in 15,000? Maybe should worry more about human attacks, eh?



(Crime statistics provided here= http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s229/s229.html)



Ok, and just to clear up any remaining idiotic conceptions about the big, bad Pit Bull

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/signatures/396786588?page=37&ltl=1170116224

Good post on this petition, search for the term “million” till you hit “tanker danker”’s post.

Very insightful, and yes, he does cite a lot of his sources.

http://www.fataldogattacks.com/

This is a better statistical analysis of the tripe you tried to pass off as proof of your bad theorem then I have the time and/or inclination to do so at the moment.

I believe this is where I’m supposed to tell you to STFU, though, admittedly, there’s no need.

 

[heatherrae]

MM hit it on the head.

I think that people have demonized pit bulls, especially, and some other breeds as well. Truth of the matter is that some breeds were originally "fighting" breeds a long time ago. Now, responsible breeders tend to breed for good disposition and temperament, along with good health. However, there are always going to be mean and irresponsible breeder and owners who try to be macho by making these dogs behave badly. Then, there are weak owners who don't know how to handle dogs who tend toward dominance. Either type of owner can be an accident waiting to happen.

No breed is inherently a bad breed. Pit Bulls, bull dogs, chows, and some others require an owner who knows how to be the alpha dog. To say the breed should be outlawed is extremist and alarmist. Education is what would make sense. Also, extremely harsh laws against dog fighting would help.

Every owner of a strong breed like that should take classes to understand how to handle that breed.