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[samoth]

But would I see the same results as if I took anabolic testosterone?

Plain and simple, no. Supplements are just that -- supplements. They are not illicit drugs controlled by the government.

 

[xrsist]

Just ordered. I will be taking PT 100% stand alone...I don't even take protein.


I'll start a log when the cycle starts.

post up your current diet meal by meal mate..

 

[RearNaked]

I don't even take protein.

WTF? I think you should work on your diet before even thinking about test supps. You need protein to grow brotha! I can't see you getting enough from straight food.

 

[jeremy02]

I don't have a planned diet. I eat what I feel like eating when I feel like eating, with the exception of lunch, which my girlfriend packs Monday through Friday.


I have plenty of protein. I kill red meat, and I seem to have pretty good gains taking no type of supplement, so that doesn't lead me to believe my diet is lacking.


For an example, my increases in the past four months:
Bench 205 to 250
Squat 250 to 315(don't really work legs)
Power 185 to 230
Hang 165 to 205
Incline 145 to 185


This is taking nothing...no NO, no creatine, no whey, no caffiene pills...nothing. I'm not saying it's great or anything, but it sure pleases me.


Cant wait for my PT to get here.

 

[samoth]

Squat 250 to 315(don't really work legs)

Oh. So you're saying that you don't want to grow? Shut the fuck up and squat.

 

[jeremy02]

The parentheses were referring to the starting max. How do you think that number went up without squatting?


Shut the fuck up and lets get back to the purpose of the thread...if the PT claims are shit or can be compared to AS.

 

[needtogetaas]

WTF? I think you should work on your diet before even thinking about test supps. You need protein to grow brotha! I can't see you getting enough from straight food.

I fucking can. Its hard but yes you can get all the protein you need form food alone.

 

[needtogetaas]

The parentheses were referring to the starting max. How do you think that number went up without squatting?


Shut the fuck up and lets get back to the purpose of the thread...if the PT claims are shit or can be compared to AS.

Lets put it like this.
The claims by pt are true. But these people are trying to teach you the basics of working out,bodybuilding and growing muscle.

I love new members and I love them trying to learn on this site. I think its great you are here and asking for help, but for got sake you are telling my fellow mod to stfu. tone it the fuck down and learn some shit bro.
no aas or product in the world compares to diet and training. Every one on this site learns fast that the order gos like this

knowledge
diet
training
sleep
aas/supps
You are here to learn right? not to fight and act like a ass. I have a heart to help every member/person that I can but You have to show willingness to learn.

 

[79tomato]

I love new members and I love them trying to learn on this site. I think its great you are here and asking for help, but for got sake you are telling my fellow mod to stfu. tone it the fuck down and learn some shit bro.
no anabolic androgenic steroids or product in the world compares to diet and training. Every one on this site learns fast that the order gos like this

knowledge
diet
training
sleep
anabolic androgenic steroids/supps
You are here to learn right? not to fight and act like a ass. I have a heart to help every member/person that I can but You have to show willingness to learn.[/QUOTE]


Needto pretty much covered it. Jeremy trust me these guys know what they are talking about just swallow the pride and listen. Most of these guys will help you anytime. There is alot of people, myself included, that would love to be your age again and have the knowledge gained from the people on this sight. Good luck bro

 

[digitizedsoul]

knowledge
diet
training
sleep
anabolic androgenic steroids/supps

Word.