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Phyto-Testosterone is here

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Folks, Phyto-Testosterone is finally here.

For those of you who haven’t yet heard, Phyto-Testosterone is a legal, orally active, plant based testosterone mimicker & potentiator. That’s right, this scientifically proven combination of natural ingredients is just as anabolic as real testosterone.

To learn more about Phyto-Testoterone, visit here –
http://www.primordialperformance.com/phyto.cfm

As a sponsor of Elite Fitness we wanted to announce that we have a very limited initial supply of Phyto-Testosterone, so if your eager to get your hands on it, you should act now before the first batch is gone. Also, please feel free to openly post your questions here on this official Phyto-Testosteone thread.

Cheers to an Anabolic New Year.

-Pp
 
You said you have a limited quantity, do you expect to run out soon?
 
ok bro i just came off dermacrine .. can i run this now or i gotta wait 4 weeks?
 
hurricane187 said:
ok bro i just came off dermacrine .. can i run this now or i gotta wait 4 weeks?
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Yes, you can run the Phyto-Test now, but we do recommend that you take 4 weeks off after 8 weeks of Phyto-Test usage.

Rick,

Considering the response weve gotten so far, we dont expect the first batch to last long.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Yes, you can run the Phyto-Test now, but we do recommend that you take 4 weeks off after 8 weeks of Phyto-Test usage.

Rick,

Considering the response weve gotten so far, we dont expect the first batch to last long.

-Pp
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I don't think it will last long ether. Been getting pm's like crazy on it.
 
so basically the phyto-test and dermacrine can be ran back to back or they can also be ran together? askin cause i just finished using a bottle of dermacrine
 
can i run it after im done with this 4 weeks of derma sustain? or do i need to take time off between? it's identical to test, so mg per mg or what?
 
If I ever try that stuff and it works, you guys will get rich because there will be no doubt as to whether or not it works if I try it.
 
Didn't you say that it's like taking about 500 mgs of testosterone per week? If that's true, I'm gonna try it, cause I've never taken that much on a regular basis.
 
Ok, lets get this straight...


"just like" shooting testosterone...without the needle...without side effects...without illegality.


Sounds too good to be true...but if it's not, then I'll sure as hell be ordering.


Good luck with your sales.
 
I don't think they'll use me as a test subject, although I'd be the perfect candidate because I know my body precisely and I would know for sure if they can back up their claims. And I won't lie to people to get their money.
 
How is the isoflavone in this product different from the ones that have been out and haven't shown so much promise?

Also, I've heard that fenugreek extract is good, but doesn't it work in a different way than by affecting testosterone? I mean, I thought it was more of an insulin/glycogen regulator.


Jacob
 
Primordial Performance said:


Folks, Phyto-Testosterone is finally here.

For those of you who haven’t yet heard, Phyto-Testosterone is a legal, orally active, plant based testosterone mimicker & potentiator. That’s right, this scientifically proven combination of natural ingredients is just as anabolic as real testosterone.

To learn more about Phyto-Testoterone, visit here –
http://www.primordialperformance.com/phyto.cfm

As a sponsor of Elite Fitness we wanted to announce that we have a very limited initial supply of Phyto-Testosterone, so if your eager to get your hands on it, you should act now before the first batch is gone. Also, please feel free to openly post your questions here on this official Phyto-Testosteone thread.

Cheers to an Anabolic New Year.

-Pp
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Ordered mine yesterday, Hope its as good as you say.
 
biteme said:
I don't think they'll use me as a test subject, although I'd be the perfect candidate because I know my body precisely and I would know for sure if they can back up their claims. And I won't lie to people to get their money.
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I asked if you wanted to test the product. It seems that it would make most sense to test the product while continuing your HRT, rather than dropping it, then trying to quantify the gains from the product. Don’t you think?

As far as comparing the product to Testosterone, I made a comparison of 300-500mg/week cycle. For me that would be an accurate statement. I personally don’t get extraordinary gains from that sort of dose anymore. I was a heavy user back in the day so to me 500mg/week is now a “lighter” dose, where it may be a high dose for someone else more sensitive to the effects of androgens who may gain 25-30lbs off that much testosterone.

So in that respect, the phyto-test probably isn’t going to produce 25-30lb gains, but it should produce a clean, side-effect free, 8-12lbs gain in about 4 weeks.

-Pp
 
jacshelb said:
How is the isoflavone in this product different from the ones that have been out and haven't shown so much promise?

Also, I've heard that fenugreek extract is good, but doesn't it work in a different way than by affecting testosterone? I mean, I thought it was more of an insulin/glycogen regulator.


Jacob
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Phyto-Testosterone has a specific fenuside extraction from fenugreek, so it’s really a whole different beast than what you would get from the herb as a whole.

The androgenic/anabolic challenge test in castrated rats showed the fenusides (25mg) increased the growth of sexual organs, and the levator ani muscle comparable to the testosterone group (.5mg). That shows the fenusides having a direct androgenic and anabolic action.

-Pp
 
So if you're comparing it to yourself, where 500 MGs a week is light, how would this product go from someone who has never taken an anabolic steroid?
 
jeremy02 said:
So if you're comparing it to yourself, where 500 MGs a week is light, how would this product go from someone who has never taken an anabolic steroid?
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Probably about the same, but IMO the amount of gains you get would have more to do with proper training & diet rather than steroid virginity, or vice versa.

-Pp
 
curious...whats in the product. im an athlete subjected to random drug tests, just wondering if i would be able to use it in season without worrying about getting caught. even then, i would have to keep my test ratios below 5:1 or 6:1 or something. so my other question is, would it keep it under that?
 
Safety4lyfe,

This is what’s in the product –

http://www.primordialperformance.com/phyto.cfm

None of the ingredients are banned by the NCAA neither of the ingredients should have any significant effect on your T:eptT ratio, so no worries.

Jagerbombme,

Phyto-Test would stack well with HRT doses, since part of its action is potenating the anabolic effect of Testosterone. (by amplifying the effects, and freeing up bound T)

Xrsist,

Yes, there should be an AU distributor with Phyto-Test sometime early next month.

Chazk,

Its not the isoflavones that increase free test, it’s the fenusides from the fenugreek. Please check out the attached study.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Safety4lyfe,

This is what’s in the product –

http://www.primordialperformance.com/phyto.cfm

None of the ingredients are banned by the NCAA neither of the ingredients should have any significant effect on your T:eptT ratio, so no worries.

Jagerbombme,

Phyto-Test would stack well with HRT doses, since part of its action is potenating the anabolic effect of Testosterone. (by amplifying the effects, and freeing up bound T)

Xrsist,

Yes, there should be an AU distributor with Phyto-Test sometime early next month.

Chazk,

Its not the isoflavones that increase free test, it’s the fenusides from the fenugreek. Please check out the attached study.

-Pp
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How is this on the hair?
 
Iron man said:
How is this on the hair?
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Good question.

I haven’t seen any research to show that either of the ingredients would cause hair loss.

If hair loss is a concern, then you could consider supplementing with our Toco-8. It’s been patented for its ability to stop hair loss and re-grow hair by about 42%.

-Pp
 
No offense PP but you provided a study that is used by testofin to sell their product
in otherwards propaganda.
Do you have any third party studies? Maybe a study conducted in a medical/scientific journal?
 
would you suggest stacking it with dermacrine?? and finish off with sustain?? u should put a lil stack together to buy ;) hhaa

and i am an athlete too and im playin D1 football in the fall of 2008 and i had the same question as the other guy. how long does it take to get out of the system?? just in case
 
trickster6487 said:
would you suggest stacking it with dermacrine?? and finish off with sustain?? u should put a lil stack together to buy ;) hhaa

and i am an athlete too and im playin D1 football in the fall of 2008 and i had the same question as the other guy. how long does it take to get out of the system?? just in case
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If your getting tested I wouldnt use Dermacrine, that would be the only supp you would have to worry about.

If you wanted to do a stack of Dermacrine and Phyto-Test (which would be awesome), you should take atleast a month off Dermacrine before getting tested, just to be safe. You shouldnt have any concern with Phyto-Test though.

One bottle of Phyto-Test lasts 30 days.

-Pp
 
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Can you run this along sustain..i just finished dermacrine and moved right onto the sustain...can I run it along with that? that way my body has the most free test available ...and did you say in lab rats it showed increase in sexual orgain size...like your stuff would grow?...haha
 
That study looks pretty good! Thanks for the info. That's the equivalent of someone being 12% bf and going down to 9.5% over the course of 8 weeks. I'm getting ready for a small bb contest this spring... I may have to consider this product.


Jacob
 
does this provide any added benefit to run while on an aa.s cycle?

specifically one using test as a base?
 
1tight_tl said:
Can you run this along sustain..i just finished dermacrine and moved right onto the sustain...can I run it along with that? that way my body has the most free test available ...and did you say in lab rats it showed increase in sexual orgain size...like your stuff would grow?...haha
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Yes, you can stack the Phyto-Test with Sustain. They both work by totally different mechanisms, and likely have a synergistic effect. BTW, sexual organ growth as in seminal vesicles and ventral prostate. (sorry bro)

Swole,

Phyto-Test would give you extra gains, but I would personally save it for the times you aren’t on T.

-Pp
 
chazk said:
No offense PP but you provided a study that is used by testofin to sell their product
in otherwards propaganda.
Do you have any third party studies? Maybe a study conducted in a medical/scientific journal?
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i am still waiting for his reply to this... seems that PP skipped it and is answering other replies instead.
 
chazk said:
No offense PP but you provided a study that is used by testofin to sell their product
in otherwards propaganda.
Do you have any third party studies? Maybe a study conducted in a medical/scientific journal?
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That study was done by a 3rd party company that Gencor hired. It’s reputable, but not quite peer-reviewed.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
That study was done by a 3rd party company that Gencor hired. It’s reputable, but not quite peer-reviewed.

-Pp
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The study does not show any third party names or contact information,
it just shows a study that gencor the makers of testofen paid to have conducted.

How do we know what the screening process was?
Were the guys givin the placebo guys that did not work out?
were the guys given testofen told to work out?
we have no record of what the two groups were eating, other drugs used,work out routines,

Why in the study does it say the "serum testoterone levels were estimated before and after the 8 weeks consumption"

did they not even bother to draw blood samples before and after, or just estimates of what they felt the changes were.

The only scientific studies I have read that were conducted with fenugreek saponins were all done in mice.
Not one scientific studyhas been done in humans
The only study done with humans (the one you showed us) was performed and paid for by gencor a company that sells testofen.
 
chazk said:
The study does not show any third party names or contact information,
it just shows a study that gencor the makers of testofen paid to have conducted.

How do we know what the screening process was?
Were the guys givin the placebo guys that did not work out?
were the guys given testofen told to work out?
we have no record of what the two groups were eating, other drugs used,work out routines,

Why in the study does it say the "serum testoterone levels were estimated before and after the 8 weeks consumption"

did they not even bother to draw blood samples before and after, or just estimates of what they felt the changes were.

The only scientific studies I have read that were conducted with fenugreek saponins were all done in mice.
Not one scientific studyhas been done in humans
The only study done with humans (the one you showed us) was performed and paid for by gencor a company that sells testofen.
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Here is the subject screening -

Inclusion criteria

Subjects to be enrolled in the trial have to meet ALL of the following criteria:
• Written informed consent from the subject.
• Male aged 18-35 years inclusive.
• Normal health status on the basis of clinical examination
• Normal health status on the basis of laboratory examination
• Trained for resistance/power exercise, at least for a period of 1 month

Exclusion criteria

Subjects will be excluded for ANY ONE of the following reasons:
• Subjects with any condition which in the opinion of the investigator makes the
subject unsuitable for inclusion.
• Subject has an elevated resting heart rate (>100 bpm) or blood pressure (SBP ≥140 or
DBP ≥90 mm Hg).
• Subject has a history of medical or surgical events that may affect the study
outcome or place the subject at risk, including cardiovascular disease,
gastrointestinal problems, metabolic, renal, hepatic, neurological or active
musculoskeletal disorders.
• Subject has a history of orthopedic injury or surgery within the last year.
• Known hypersensitivity to herbal drugs/nutritional supplement/ foods
• Subjects who is consuming/ has received any performance enhancing therapy
during last 2 months
• Subjects undergoing any weight loss or diet plan during the trial period
• Chronic alcoholics
• Drug abusers
• Participation in any other clinical trial during last 30 days

The study says that the "volunteers doing regular resistance exercise". I assume they are talking about both groups.

The study also said -

"Subjects did not take any performance enhancing therapy during the trial period and 2 months before starting the trial."

Serum free testosterone levels were probably estimated based off of the SHBG/Total T ratio. This is pretty standard.


-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Xrsist,

Yes, there should be an AU distributor with Phyto-Test sometime early next month.
-Pp
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be sure to let me know who it is as i will have a few bros willing to try some of these products.. even better ill be your AU distributor :)
 
Bump
 
hoiten said:
Do you ship internationally? Like to Sweden for example?
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How are your customs bro? Are they tight over there?
 
Well, i guess that would maybe be an issue. But as far as shipping it overseas is concerned, is it possible?
 
hoiten said:
Well, i guess that would maybe be an issue. But as far as shipping it overseas is concerned, is it possible?
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I'm sure he could.




Whats the process to get supplements approved over there? What if PP wanted to put out a version of Phyto-Test in your country?

What supplements can you buy there right now?
 
"What supplements can you buy there right now?"
Well, you can get most supplements here. I dont think we have any more resctrictions then the US.
Here is a swedish site selling supplements just so you can get an idea.
www.gymgrossisten.com
 
Guys,

All Phyto-Test backorders are scheduled to ship out this Friday, or possibly Monday.

If you want to make sure you get a bottle in the next two weeks before this next batch runs out, you should get your order in now.

Thanks Elite!

-Pp
 
chazk said:
The study does not show any third party names or contact information,
it just shows a study that gencor the makers of testofen paid to have conducted.

How do we know what the screening process was?
Were the guys givin the placebo guys that did not work out?
were the guys given testofen told to work out?
we have no record of what the two groups were eating, other drugs used,work out routines,

Why in the study does it say the "serum testoterone levels were estimated before and after the 8 weeks consumption"

did they not even bother to draw blood samples before and after, or just estimates of what they felt the changes were.

The only scientific studies I have read that were conducted with fenugreek saponins were all done in mice.
Not one scientific studyhas been done in humans
The only study done with humans (the one you showed us) was performed and paid for by gencor a company that sells testofen.
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I would actually like to have you get some and give us a review. Everyone here (myself included) tends to be...overzealous in our loyalty to sponsors etc.
 
Primordial Performance said:
Yes, and if you guys want some in the next couple weeks you should get in line now for the next batch arrival early next week. (Jan 28th)

-Pp
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I ordered on the 17th and have not received my package. Is this due to backorder?
 
all these people have bought, but noone has said anything about its effectiveness?
 
The shit isn't Snake oil.. I will be placing a nother order. But I bet it will be Illeagal with in a year. But first it will be banned from baseball..
 
digitizedsoul said:
Read my thread.

*Waves his "Dermacrine / PHYTO TEST results" thread around excitedly*
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u are not a known vet nor did u take it by itself.
 
lartinos said:
u are not a known vet nor did u take it by itself.
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Sorry bro, anyone else interested in my free information that i'm providing my time to type in every day? :)

No offense bro, just didn't know those were pre-requisites to providing a training log for new products for bros that are interested.... i guess now i know?
 
digitizedsoul said:
Sorry bro, anyone else interested in my free information that i'm providing my time to type in every day? :)

No offense bro, just didn't know those were pre-requisites to providing a training log for new products for bros that are interested.... i guess now i know?
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knowing is half the battle.......
 
lartinos said:
knowing is half the battle.......
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G.I. Joeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
digitizedsoul said:
Sorry bro, anyone else interested in my free information that i'm providing my time to type in every day? :)

No offense bro, just didn't know those were pre-requisites to providing a training log for new products for bros that are interested.... i guess now i know?
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Don't worry about Lartinos, he is a skeptical bro.



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yes still waiting for a phyto-test by itself testimony ...with my credit card in hand :p
 
Big Rick Rock said:
Don't worry about Lartinos, he is a skeptical bro.



-
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Hehehe, i don't worry bro. Its one of the two most useless human emotions, right next to regret.

Kinda like smokin one, pass it to the bro next to you, he doesn't want any? Perfectly cool. I'm still gettin blazed though :D

I'm writing a log of a STACK that im cycling, i'm providing results for the whole STACK. There is abesolutely no reason this is non valueble information because my join date is recent, and my post count is short. Thats like saying a genius isn't one because he's 13 instead of 53, its just a number. The kid could know how to defy gravity for all we know?


Plus the bro who made the stuff im taking recommended that it be taken together for synergy, so mostly anyone looking to supp with it, would be doing the same thing further increasing the value of my report!

Anyway.... end rant :\

Guess i'm a little "phyto-testy" today :D
 
StackedXXX said:
Any use phyto-test by itself?
Unleashed and phyto-test both increase free testostorone; what;s the difference?
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The Phyto-Test’s main mechanism of action is more by its anabolic effect at increasing nitrogen retention and mimicking testosterones actions. Increasing free T is only part of its benefit, and its ingredients are quite a bit different than Unleased. (so both products would stack good together)

-Pp
 
StackedXXX said:
Any use phyto-test by itself?
Unleashed and phyto-test both increase free testostorone; what;s the difference?
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I'm actually running it alone (not on cycle either).... I ran derma prior to this, so I know what that feels like.... and I'll be able to tell the difference
 
You suggest only run for 8 weeks because it may negatively effect hormone inbalences right? So would i be able to run it for 12wks and have some PCT to counetr that?
 
safety4lyfe said:
You suggest only run for 8 weeks because it may negatively effect hormone inbalences right? So would i be able to run it for 12wks and have some PCT - post cycle therapy - to counetr that?
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i'm seriously contemplating running 12wks myself, but i'd have to get yet ANOTHER bottle lol.... unless PP is just feeling generous with me these days :D
 
safety4lyfe said:
You suggest only run for 8 weeks because it may negatively effect hormone inbalences right? So would i be able to run it for 12wks and have some PCT - post cycle therapy - to counetr that?
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We suggest only 8 weeks on Phyto-Test because that’s when we believe the gains would start to plateau, so you would want to take time off and allow you body to become sensitized to its effects again.

Digit,

Shoot me a PM bro, perhaps we can work something out.

-Pp
 
digitizedsoul said:
i'm seriously contemplating running 12wks myself, but i'd have to get yet ANOTHER bottle lol.... unless PP is just feeling generous with me these days :D
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Does this spell cheap, or just plain greedy?
 
Its finally in capsules?


YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!


not much of an oil guy myself.






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