Pete Rose

[BileStew]

Has admitted in his new book coming out and in an interview on Thursday that he DID bet on baseball.

Him being my favorite player of all time, I feel he should be allowed into the Hall of Fame for his PLAYING accomplishments only.

I also feel he should NOT be allowed back into baseball in any capacity. He lied until he was blue in the face vehemently denying that he never bet on baseball. And now he comes clean? Seems shady to me. Is he after something or did he honestly have an epiphany and wants to do right?

If Selig does in fact reinstate him, should Shoeless Joe Jackson be exonerated from the White Sox scandal back in 1919? Apparently he had nothing to do with the fixing of those games but was banned for life because he was a part of the team.

Will this open up a floodgate now if he is reinstated?

 

[Fragadelic]

I have met Pete Rose on a few occasions and he is an arrogant, overbearing piece of shit. That being said, the guy was one of the greats in the game and it is BS that he isn't in the hall of fame, gambling, lying or not.

 

[Ganryu]

I didn't know Jim Rose played baseball. What happened to his side show he used to do?

 

[big4life]

I don't have a problem with him being in the Hall of fame, providing that he also apologizes for gambling on baseball. From everything I have heard, all he is doing is admitting that he bet, that's not enough. They also should allow Shoeless Joe in the hall.

Why did he come forward now?

He made some assinine remark about how nobody who could help him wanted to know the truth. What does that mean? That everyone else wasn't entitled to know the truth? He can have his name in the hall, but he should still be banned from having anything to do with any baseball team in the future.

Personally I think that he's still lying, or at least not telling the whole truth.

 

[BileStew]

I have met Pete Rose on a few occasions and he is an arrogant, overbearing piece of shit. That being said, the guy was one of the greats in the game and it is BS that he isn't in the hall of fame, gambling, lying or not.

I agree because of his accomplishments on the field warrants him a spot in the HOF.

I don't see how they can allow numerous drug offenders unlimited opportunities but if a guy bets and gets caught, he is banished for life.

I know some will say, "Betting is against the rules of baseball", but so are drugs.

It's a Catch 22 situation here.

 

[beefybull]

If Selig does in fact reinstate him, should Shoeless Joe Jackson be exonerated from the White Sox scandal back in 1919? Apparently he had nothing to do with the fixing of those games but was banned for life because he was a part of the team.

Shoeless Joe accepted money to "throw" the series, but he played like an MVP, led the world series in homers, etc. He was just a true rube/country boy and didnt understand. Word on the streets is he didnt even know how to sign his whole name for a while, just made an 'X'. Still one of the top 5 hitters EVER (hit .408 his rookie year).

 

[BileStew]

Re: Re: Pete Rose

Shoeless Joe accepted money to "throw" the series, but he played like an MVP, led the world series in homers, etc. He was just a true rube/country boy and didnt understand. Word on the streets is he didnt even know how to sign his whole name for a while, just made an 'X'. Still one of the top 5 hitters EVER (hit .408 his rookie year).

I respectfully disagree. He never accepted money and told the players who appraoched him he was not interested in throwing the series.

Check it out: http://www.blackbetsy.com/jjrelate.htm

 

[hamstershaver]

Is he after something or did he honestly have an epiphany and wants to do right?

of course he is its called $, he has 500k books in the first print, now that he admits to betting on baseball in his book there will be more interest in it. Rose truly is a piece of shit scumbag and just for that i hope he doesnt get in becasue he wants it so bad

 

[manny78]

He shouldnt be allowed in the Hall of Fame. If I remember, he agreed to be banned and in exchange, the MLB would not press criminal charges against him. If he wants the Hall of Fame he should also take what comes with it: a criminal trial.

 

[BileStew]

He shouldnt be allowed in the Hall of Fame. If I remember, he agreed to be banned and in exchange, the MLB would not press criminal charges against him. If he wants the Hall of Fame he should also take what comes with it: a criminal trial.

I'm stuck on the fence. Like i said, he was my all time favorite player. So for his playing abilities, I want him in. For what he did with the lying and ganbling..I hope he rots in his own personal hell.

 

[Dial_tone]

I don't like him at all but if Lawrence Taylor is gonna get in the NFL Hall then Pete Rose should get in the baseball one.
Heck, what about Darryl Strawberry?

 

[Lestat]

He should be in..

His accomplishments as a player are in no way dimished by the shit he pulled later on.

 

[BileStew]

I don't like him at all but if Lawrence Taylor is gonna get in the NFL Hall then Pete Rose should get in the baseball one.
Heck, what about Darryl Strawberry?

Strawberry will never get in. Unless they have a special section for crack addicts. He can have Steve Howe give his acceptance speech.

 

[manny78]

I don't like him at all but if Lawrence Taylor is gonna get in the NFL Hall then Pete Rose should get in the baseball one.
Heck, what about Darryl Strawberry?

Darryl Stawberry ? He was a total jerk outside but I cant find anything wrong he did while playing. Snorting coke ? The whole Mets team was doing this shit back then.

 

[Raptorex]

Who cares, big deal...old news.

 

[BileStew]

How funny is it that Strawberry has been given his 4th chance by Steinbrenner to straighten his life out as the "Player development instructor"? He will be working with the young players. On what, the types of drugs to use?

And I just watched an old clip on Raw of Kane tomb-stoning Pete Rose..lol

 

[Raptorex]

New guys juice and screw up the records forever and will be HOF, Rose gambles and get's banned for life...

Pro Baseball is a farce...I was a lifetime Red Sox season ticket holder and now they can go f...themselves.

 

[Moderate_THIS]

That play where Rose forearm shivered that catcher is one of the great moments in sports. He should have whipped out his Tito Santana flying forearm on Kane.

 

[BileStew]

That play where Rose forearm shivered that catcher is one of the great moments in sports. He should have whipped out his Tito Santana flying forearm on Kane.

That was Ray Fosse of the A's in 1970. Fosse was never the same after that collision. And he was a very good catcher.

 

[anabolicmd]

Pete Rose has only a few more years to get into the hall of fame through a vote by sportswriters, if he doesnt then the decision is left up to actual HOF members, and his odds are much better with the reporters then with the members, who are a pretty crotchety group, who have denied membership to players less controversial then Pete.

Also, his major problem is not that he bet on sports, not that he bet on baseball, but that he regularly, for two seasons bet on his own team. He says he never bet against the Reds, but even if that is true, its almost irrelevant because by not betting on certain games, he was basically telling his bookie that he doesnt feel his team will win. Its real dirty anyway you slice it. For him to do that, shows that he didnt respect baseball at all an was in it all for himself.

 

[Spartacus]

little Bud Harrelson didn't take any of Pete's sh*t:
The scene was Shea Stadium, the third game of the 1973 National League playoffs, and the New York Mets were clobbering the Cincinnati Reds 9-2, looking to take a 2-1 lead in the best of five series. But though the game had long been decided, their was some excitement still to come. That’s they way it was when Pete Rose was on the field.
In the fifth inning, trailing 9-2 (Rusty Staub had homered in both the first and second innings for New York), Rose was on first when a ball was hit to the middle of the infield. Met shortstop Bud Harrelson made the force at second and crossed the bag ready top complete a double play, but Rose slid into him hard, taking out his legs. The two men ended up on top of each other in the middle of the infield dirt, rolling around like two cats in an alley. Rose ended up on top of Harrelson and soon the benches cleared and the field filled with Reds and Mets. The ensuing melee proved tame (as do most baseball brawls), though Cincinnati reliever Pedro Borbon did turn heads when he ripped apart a Met cap with his teeth.

When calm was restored, the game continued. But in the bottom of the inning, as Rose took his position in left field, New York fans showed off their arms – pelting debris at the Cincinnati star. When a whiskey bottle whizzed past his head, Rose retreated to the dugout as manager Sparky Anderson took his team off the field. New York City police surrounded the field and the game was finished in a bizarre roped-off atmosphere.

But the crowd continued their relentless booing and taunting of Rose. In the ninth inning, his team still trailing hopelessly, Rose showed his moxie and the reason he never gave away an at-bat. He singled sharply to center field and defiantly stood on first base, receiving the jeers of the partisan crowd. When the game ended, he sprinted to the clubhouse, with police guarding him from the unruly mob.

Now trailing two games to one, the Reds battled the Mets in Game Four the next day, again at Shea Stadium. Tied 1-1 in the top of the twelfth, the Reds clung to life. A loss would end their season. But it was at such critical moments that Rose lived for. With the Shea crowd yelling for his scalp, Rose clobbered a pitch from Harry Parker, sending it over the right field wall for a 2-1 Reds lead. As he rounded the bases to a chorus of boos, Rose pumped his fist and stomped on home plate. Borbon closed the door in the bottom of the inning, and the Reds were tied. That damned Charlie Hustle, the most hated man in New York, had done it again.

 

[Spartacus]

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[anabolicmd]

That was Ray Fosse of the A's in 1970. Fosse was never the same after that collision. And he was a very good catcher.

It was a legal, hard play. But it was a meaningless game. He never had any respect for the game, or other players.

 

[Spartacus]

yeah apparently so as in that Mets/Reds game it was 9-2...perhaps the Reds could still come back,but I suspect pete slid in hard on Buddy out of spite and frustration that the Reds were getting stomped..I lived in Jersey back in then and Buddy Harrelson became one of our hero's for standing up to the tough guy and fighting back..incidentally the Mets went on to the world series

 

[the nature boy]

dude WTF is up with his hair? good god.

 

[Testosterone boy]

There is no correlation between using roids and betting on games.

Rose should be in the Hall of Fame......a few years before he passes away.

 

[daveyboy]

If Tony Perez, Joe Morgan, & Johnny Bench are in the Hall, Pete Rose should be there as well. A problem he might run into though is, he's still being seen going to gambling joints...Vegas, etc. That certainly can't help his cause.

But I agree with what some of the others said....

1) put him in the hall
2) keep him out of baseball (managing, coaching, etc)

note--Dave Parker is eligible for the Hall this year & he'll probably make it. But.....wasn't he rumored to have fooled around with nose candy for a period of time while he played for the Pirates? Isn't that against the rules too??