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Penn State doesn't squat????

U of Penn football team won the Ivy League (again) and they squat, clean, snatch, RDL, and bench (as well as the assistance stuff).
 
I know - I'm just saying there's a highly successful football program in PA that DOES explosive and power work. I think their record speaks to the benefits of including explosive and power training in a strength program.
 
Basketball players make the league because of their skills, athleticism, and size. It's not as much based on combine stuff as football. That's a good thing. Strength doesn't play much of a role at all unless you're a post player.

I don't care what they do if it's wrong. Just because they do it, doesn't mean it's good. Players are often there in spite of their training, not because of it.

Some of the stuff you said I agree with, but I'd think the posterior chain is the most important for basketball. A strong core is important as well though.

Some of their methods to cardio sounds off, but if it doesn't hurt, then I guess it helps.

Where'd you play? Thanks for the info.
 
No, not at all. HIT covers all kinds of training methods but the underlying thread is brief, infrequent workouts with most sets taken to failure or beyond.
 
delldell2 said:
Basketball players make the league because of their skills, athleticism, and size. It's not as much based on combine stuff as football. That's a good thing. Strength doesn't play much of a role at all unless you're a post player.

I don't care what they do if it's wrong. Just because they do it, doesn't mean it's good. Players are often there in spite of their training, not because of it.

Some of the stuff you said I agree with, but I'd think the posterior chain is the most important for basketball. A strong core is important as well though.

Some of their methods to cardio sounds off, but if it doesn't hurt, then I guess it helps.

Where'd you play? Thanks for the info.

I played 3 years of varsity on hs for good teams and was supposed to be good but I was to lazy to work out and thought it would just all come naturally, so basically I just relied on my skills. When I finally started playing some of the guys that are in the nba or in college in my area I realised Im not gettin anywhere with that so I decided that after my senior year I would start lifting hard, well I had a great summer even though I didnt know what I was doing back then but basically I was like 6% body fat... than I got a blood clot in my shoulder so I was out for one year and didnt get to play on the junior college team I was suposed to play where I had a scholorship, I pretty much gave up after that but I tried out this year on the same year(hella outtta shape) and made it so I think IM just gonna stick around juco and play for 2 years and try to go to a 4 year...

anyway through all those years I beleve I learned a lot from assload of mistakes I've made and thats why I like to give advice, I didnt do anything that great but I like to think I made a decent comeback...

and yea I agree about basketball players being more concerned with skills etc but depending on the position you play in football Im assuming you need to do same shit as in basketball, work on your footwork, positioning etc.

I tried playing football in hs but it was a bad idea, I quit so fast, I had no idea what I was donig and why I was doing it either, well my coach told me it will get me tougher...

I also got advice from the guy that plays for blazers right now and he told me that if im working out and doing my set I need to try to move the weight as fast as possible but always control the motion, if you want to be explosive.

this are the things I picked up you know I'm not makin this shit up, I like to listen to people if they got some stupid shit to say or some good things to say... plus this guys have acomplished something so I dont see how an advice like that could hurt
 
JJFigure said:
I know - I'm just saying there's a highly successful football program in PA that DOES explosive and power work. I think their record speaks to the benefits of including explosive and power training in a strength program.

This discussion reminds me of an article I read about Kevin Jones (#1 {edit: oops, looks like he dropped to #6 but still pretty good for a junior} ranked running back in American football for Va Tech.) Pitt was trying to recruit Kevin Jones to their school like most other colleges in the country at the time. Jones, who was from Springfield PA, was expected to go to Pitt by many in the press. Well, Jones ends up choosing Va Tech over Pitt based on the strength training programs of the two schools. Seems that Jones's dad was an Olympic lifter and had trained his son that way since he was young. Since Va Tech also strength trained using the Olympic lifts, they felt that would be best for his development if he went to that school instead. The article's three years old by now but hopefully it's still available, I'll try to post it.

By the way JJFigure, great Ab development :)
 
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delldell2 said:
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2001/12/12-03-01tdc/12-03-01dsports-17.asp
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-14239sy0nov21,0,307799.story?coll=dp-sports-local

I found these two articles. There's also an article in the Pitt Sports Review that they talk about on elitefts.com

scono-Who from the Blazers?

Thanks Delldell2. That wasn't the article I read but it kind of said the same thing. I love this quote though:

"Rumors persist around State College that Penn State players train at local gyms using Olympic techniques in order to get stronger. Several former Lions have been highly critical of the system, so much so that one was reportedly considering a law suit against Penn State for not training him correctly."
 
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