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Penn State doesn't squat????
- Thread starter BIGOSUFAN
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Yeah, they're a "HIT school"
Only or primarily use machines. There's a bunch of them actually.
Also a surprising amount of NFL teams use machines too. This is probably because their too scared of players getting injured. Team strength coaches can hardly do anything with them. It's all in the off-season.
You can see this site strongerathlete.com, but don't bother arguing with them. It's been rehashed over and over.
Only or primarily use machines. There's a bunch of them actually.
Also a surprising amount of NFL teams use machines too. This is probably because their too scared of players getting injured. Team strength coaches can hardly do anything with them. It's all in the off-season.
You can see this site strongerathlete.com, but don't bother arguing with them. It's been rehashed over and over.
Try being a big time strength coach and explaining to the head coach and the Athletic Director why an athlete got hurt while you had him doing squats, deadlifts, and bench presses.
They will be less strong...but you will have a job as long as they are not injured from what YOU are having them do.
B True
They will be less strong...but you will have a job as long as they are not injured from what YOU are having them do.
B True
DieselFueled
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B, you have a point, but imo, the risk of injury is worth it compared to the benefits free weights and squats provide.
Anyway, Penn St.'s record speaks for itself, maybe they should start squatting.
Anyway, Penn St.'s record speaks for itself, maybe they should start squatting.
Shades McCool
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My brother plays football at Auburn and I know they squat, clean, snatch ect. All the major power movements.
The coolest thing they do is the hill. They have a 45 degree ramp that is about 20 yards long with astroturf on it. They do sprints, lunges ect up it. They also do weighted sprints up it. My bro says it is a bitch and a half.
The coolest thing they do is the hill. They have a 45 degree ramp that is about 20 yards long with astroturf on it. They do sprints, lunges ect up it. They also do weighted sprints up it. My bro says it is a bitch and a half.
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sconoscuito
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I've been in a few nba training facilities and they have shit that I've never seen in a regular gym.
you gotta consider olympic lifts and all that will put lot of stress on the player and sometimes mess up what his doing..
imagine playing 82 regular nba season games, your shot wont go in cause you will lose your touch after the workout...
so I mean people there arent stupid you know they have walked the way so they can talk the talk,
powerlifting may benefit a player in preseason to get better but during the season it will mess you up and the goal in football or basketball does not equel the goal you may have in the gym, you gotta do whats best for your sport
you gotta consider olympic lifts and all that will put lot of stress on the player and sometimes mess up what his doing..
imagine playing 82 regular nba season games, your shot wont go in cause you will lose your touch after the workout...
so I mean people there arent stupid you know they have walked the way so they can talk the talk,
powerlifting may benefit a player in preseason to get better but during the season it will mess you up and the goal in football or basketball does not equel the goal you may have in the gym, you gotta do whats best for your sport
Hey Shades could you go into a little more detail about what Auburn does. Those runs sound hard, but the opposite of what many suggest.
scono-I'm talking about more in the off-season. Players playing alot of minutes usually would be focused on maintaining strength during the season. What did you see in the facilities. I've been and it was pretty normal. Of course each of the 29 has their own thing going on, but regardless of all that, machines are not the best option.
scono-I'm talking about more in the off-season. Players playing alot of minutes usually would be focused on maintaining strength during the season. What did you see in the facilities. I've been and it was pretty normal. Of course each of the 29 has their own thing going on, but regardless of all that, machines are not the best option.
sconoscuito
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well when I played basketball in hs we did some powerlifting but mostly it was just power cleans from what I remember, I was told thats what jordan used to do and was good at when I was like 16 I think.
I also know some european basketball players in the nba like stojakovic and them are taught to do ab work every morning as soon as the roll out of bed and whenever they train next time cause abs and back is the most important muscle in basketball..(I kinda agree) I know some players who do an hour long cardio session after lifting or even after practice... there is people who will tell me that shit is really stupid but how can you hate on the guy who is one of the top scorers in the nba.
something that gets you in a good shape is hill sprints and is best if its hill made out of sand... these are all advices comming from people that got it done and are at the top level by the way and not a joeshmoe juco basketball player such as myself. so judge them not me..
I saw this journal for an nba player that had only abwork in it, it was about 20 pages long I think which showed all kinds of different ab workouts and one session lasted about 30-45 min which is a total ammount of time spent by an average person in the gym...
as for the weightlifting machines one thing I can remember they had was the cardio machine where you were hanging and basically and running on the road, which didnt put as much pressure on your knees so I guess some players needed that...
I know a boxer dude who used to do his boxing under water, they would put something on his head so he could breath and he would box under water untill he pretty much puked, this has the same principle as running the sand hill, we called them dunes when I used to run them and lived near chicago.
I dont know some people here will think this shit is just stupid or im making half of the stuff up but I worked during summer at one of the nba team at a camp and some players came in and worked out, I played against some, this was all like 3 years ago or so...
you cant forget that its not always about the stregth
I also know some european basketball players in the nba like stojakovic and them are taught to do ab work every morning as soon as the roll out of bed and whenever they train next time cause abs and back is the most important muscle in basketball..(I kinda agree) I know some players who do an hour long cardio session after lifting or even after practice... there is people who will tell me that shit is really stupid but how can you hate on the guy who is one of the top scorers in the nba.
something that gets you in a good shape is hill sprints and is best if its hill made out of sand... these are all advices comming from people that got it done and are at the top level by the way and not a joeshmoe juco basketball player such as myself. so judge them not me..
I saw this journal for an nba player that had only abwork in it, it was about 20 pages long I think which showed all kinds of different ab workouts and one session lasted about 30-45 min which is a total ammount of time spent by an average person in the gym...
as for the weightlifting machines one thing I can remember they had was the cardio machine where you were hanging and basically and running on the road, which didnt put as much pressure on your knees so I guess some players needed that...
I know a boxer dude who used to do his boxing under water, they would put something on his head so he could breath and he would box under water untill he pretty much puked, this has the same principle as running the sand hill, we called them dunes when I used to run them and lived near chicago.
I dont know some people here will think this shit is just stupid or im making half of the stuff up but I worked during summer at one of the nba team at a camp and some players came in and worked out, I played against some, this was all like 3 years ago or so...
you cant forget that its not always about the stregth
Basketball players make the league because of their skills, athleticism, and size. It's not as much based on combine stuff as football. That's a good thing. Strength doesn't play much of a role at all unless you're a post player.
I don't care what they do if it's wrong. Just because they do it, doesn't mean it's good. Players are often there in spite of their training, not because of it.
Some of the stuff you said I agree with, but I'd think the posterior chain is the most important for basketball. A strong core is important as well though.
Some of their methods to cardio sounds off, but if it doesn't hurt, then I guess it helps.
Where'd you play? Thanks for the info.
I don't care what they do if it's wrong. Just because they do it, doesn't mean it's good. Players are often there in spite of their training, not because of it.
Some of the stuff you said I agree with, but I'd think the posterior chain is the most important for basketball. A strong core is important as well though.
Some of their methods to cardio sounds off, but if it doesn't hurt, then I guess it helps.
Where'd you play? Thanks for the info.
sconoscuito
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delldell2 said:
I played 3 years of varsity on hs for good teams and was supposed to be good but I was to lazy to work out and thought it would just all come naturally, so basically I just relied on my skills. When I finally started playing some of the guys that are in the nba or in college in my area I realised Im not gettin anywhere with that so I decided that after my senior year I would start lifting hard, well I had a great summer even though I didnt know what I was doing back then but basically I was like 6% body fat... than I got a blood clot in my shoulder so I was out for one year and didnt get to play on the junior college team I was suposed to play where I had a scholorship, I pretty much gave up after that but I tried out this year on the same year(hella outtta shape) and made it so I think IM just gonna stick around juco and play for 2 years and try to go to a 4 year...
anyway through all those years I beleve I learned a lot from assload of mistakes I've made and thats why I like to give advice, I didnt do anything that great but I like to think I made a decent comeback...
and yea I agree about basketball players being more concerned with skills etc but depending on the position you play in football Im assuming you need to do same shit as in basketball, work on your footwork, positioning etc.
I tried playing football in hs but it was a bad idea, I quit so fast, I had no idea what I was donig and why I was doing it either, well my coach told me it will get me tougher...
I also got advice from the guy that plays for blazers right now and he told me that if im working out and doing my set I need to try to move the weight as fast as possible but always control the motion, if you want to be explosive.
this are the things I picked up you know I'm not makin this shit up, I like to listen to people if they got some stupid shit to say or some good things to say... plus this guys have acomplished something so I dont see how an advice like that could hurt
kiloamp
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JJFigure said:
This discussion reminds me of an article I read about Kevin Jones (#1 {edit: oops, looks like he dropped to #6 but still pretty good for a junior} ranked running back in American football for Va Tech.) Pitt was trying to recruit Kevin Jones to their school like most other colleges in the country at the time. Jones, who was from Springfield PA, was expected to go to Pitt by many in the press. Well, Jones ends up choosing Va Tech over Pitt based on the strength training programs of the two schools. Seems that Jones's dad was an Olympic lifter and had trained his son that way since he was young. Since Va Tech also strength trained using the Olympic lifts, they felt that would be best for his development if he went to that school instead. The article's three years old by now but hopefully it's still available, I'll try to post it.
By the way JJFigure, great Ab development
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http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2001/12/12-03-01tdc/12-03-01dsports-17.asp
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-14239sy0nov21,0,307799.story?coll=dp-sports-local
I found these two articles. There's also an article in the Pitt Sports Review that they talk about on elitefts.com
scono-Who from the Blazers?
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-14239sy0nov21,0,307799.story?coll=dp-sports-local
I found these two articles. There's also an article in the Pitt Sports Review that they talk about on elitefts.com
scono-Who from the Blazers?
kiloamp
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delldell2 said:
Thanks Delldell2. That wasn't the article I read but it kind of said the same thing. I love this quote though:
"Rumors persist around State College that Penn State players train at local gyms using Olympic techniques in order to get stronger. Several former Lions have been highly critical of the system, so much so that one was reportedly considering a law suit against Penn State for not training him correctly."
sconoscuito
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ruben petterson when he played for the sonics
JJFigure
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kiloamp said:
I had heard about this; I strongly feel the proper strength program is key to your success as an athlete. The head strength coach at Penn trains the football team, and he drills proper technique into them from day 1. If the athletes are lifting with strong technique, there won't be injuries in the weight room, and there's less of a chance there will be injuries on the field.
Plus, it's just cool to see so many athletes cleaning at one time. We have nine stations set up in one part of the weight room, and it's fun to watch 18 people rotating through that part of the room, doing their cleans/squatting/etc.
Thanks for the compliment kiloamp! I squat/dl/clean too - great for the abs!
