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Fitinfredneck
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hey guys new to gear and was wondering about pct. what would be good for my liver how much to take and for how long after a cycle.
pct?
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Fitinfredneck
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i haven't done my first cycle im just tryin to do some research before i do anything. Im trying to bild up anothin 10 15 pounds then get cut. i could use some suggestions on what a good first cycle would be.
Fitinfredneck said:
I remember my first cycle from many years ago. It was 500mg/week sustanon for 6 weeks -- with a couple D-bol thrown in here and there.
Anyway, its was a good starter cycle for myself. If you choose to embark on your own, Id recommend a test enanthate cycle at a similar dose for 6-8 weeks. It’s a good basic drug to run by itself, and access your tolerance too.
I ran a lot of clomid back in the day for PCT – and that’s what most guys will tell you to use. It will work, but if your concerned about liver, emotional, ocular, or sexual health then its not really the best choice. We sell Dermacrine Sustain, and I personally believe it to be far superior to either clomid or nolva for restoring testicular function while actually being healthy.
BTW, no mater what you read in the “steroid profiles” you need to run hCG during your cycle. 125 iu EOD throughout the cycle would be all you would need. This would greatly prevent testicular atrophy and desensitization and would greatly quicken your recovery time allowing you to hold on to much more of your gains.
-Pp
I agree with PP on a test e 500mg a week for 8 weeks first cycle. Clomid at 50mg a day for 30 days should do you fine for PCT. hgc would help but may not be needed.
I'm still waiting to see the results of the Derma. If it works I would use it. It is just clomid is tested and proved for many years.
just my .02
I'm still waiting to see the results of the Derma. If it works I would use it. It is just clomid is tested and proved for many years.
just my .02
Fitinfredneck
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thanks bro's thats the kinda answer i was looking for i apprieate all the help. PP like you were saying i was thinking dbol and test for my first cycle.test for 8 weeks i was goin to start out at 300mg a week and see how i react. but i am undecide on when yo start the dbol and for how long. but with that i was going to start with 30mg a day and c how that does.sound good?
The most common recommendation for PCT is Clomid and/or Nolvadex but I, and others who have researched and written on the topic, do not like either drug or even think them necessary. Opinions will vary.
The best approach is to use a little Arimidex to combat estrogen sides and then use a natural PC. The Dermacrine has gotten good reviews. I recommend this for all your PCT needs. http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=110&cat=0&page=1
You can make great gains of 30 mgs of d-bol as a starter cycle if you eat enough prOtein and you won't need to use HCG if you don't run it for too long.
Good luck, and be careful.
The best approach is to use a little Arimidex to combat estrogen sides and then use a natural PC. The Dermacrine has gotten good reviews. I recommend this for all your PCT needs. http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=110&cat=0&page=1
You can make great gains of 30 mgs of d-bol as a starter cycle if you eat enough prOtein and you won't need to use HCG if you don't run it for too long.
Good luck, and be careful.
I only know that nova / clomid have worked well
so far for me , would like to try derma in the future
clomid 50 ed 21 days
nolva 40 ed 2 wks then 20 ,2 wks .
Brad.
so far for me , would like to try derma in the future
clomid 50 ed 21 days
nolva 40 ed 2 wks then 20 ,2 wks .
Brad.
Fitinfredneck
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just wanted to make sure but it's test e right? that and how bad did this effect your guy's labido.
Fitinfredneck said:
Test E yes , E for enanthate , and the extra test shuts down your
natural production of test so while your on your cool , but when
you stop your sex drive stops until your nautral test starts again
thats were your PCT is cruthal .
Brad.
Fitinfredneck
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thanks bro i have good eating an work out habbits is there anything you suggest to help me keep most of my gains while i cycle off. things to eat diffrent work out or suppliments.
Fitinfredneck said:
Start running the Dbol on week 4 at your 30mg day dose. Take your last enanthate shot on week 6. Continue running the dbol till week 8. This will allow you to drop the Dbol on week 8 and be totally clear of AAS, and ready for recovery.
If you follow my on cycle hCG advice you will be much more likely to keep your gains post cycle.
-Pp
needtogetaas
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hcg during cycle like pp said.I have used derma for pct and well deff be using it again bro.check out these test results before and after derma use for me.Fitinfredneck said:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537359&highlight=Dermacrine
btw karter is a dumb ass who just likes to run off at the mouth forget any thing he says bro.
needtogetaas said:hcg during cycle like pp said.I have used derma for pct and well deff be using it again bro.check out these test results before and after derma use for me.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537359&highlight=Dermacrine
btw karter is a dumb ass who just likes to run off at the mouth forget any thing he says bro.
Stop, your hurting my feelings Derma boy. Grow up and get over it.
Fitinfredneck
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Thanks for the heads up and the good advise same to you PP anything eles you guys think i should know? I never gave you guys my stats. Im 22 6'2" 210 not sure on the body fat i have been lifting consistently for about 2 years now.needtogetaas said:hcg during cycle like pp said.I have used derma for pct and well deff be using it again bro.check out these test results before and after derma use for me.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537359&highlight=Dermacrine
btw karter is a dumb ass who just likes to run off at the mouth forget any thing he says bro.
needtogetaas
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I would but why wast the k.lol its much funner to just red him all the time.msam76 said:
tshoot
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Primordial Performance said:
Pp, would you recommend Dermacrine or Demacrine Sustain for PCT? Seems like regular Dermacrine would be what you would want for PCT.
Also, can't you use clomid or something else besides HCG shots EoD to maintain testicular size/sensitivity through a cycle. If you are poking yourself multiple times a week already, adding the EoD shots with HCG adds to the pin cushion factor. I do agree that HCG during the cycle helps maintain testicular size (because that it what I am doing now) but I'm looking for an alternative.
needtogetaas said:I would but why wast the k.lol its much funner to just red him all the time.
Damn would you learn to spell. I bet your not older then 14. I have kids your age dumb ass.
msam76 (she-man) does not want me to take anymore of her customers away. Thats why she wants me gone. Her I hate. Needtogetas and I enjoy going back and forth about BS. He is not that bad of a guy. We just dont see thing the same way. I will say he does have some good info most of the time!!
All in fun, most of the time!!!
tshoot said:
I recommend Derma Sustain for PCT, as it will have a more positive effect on LH/FSH.
As Im sure you know, HCG is shot SubQ with a slin pin... so it really is a very easy shot. As an alternative to HCG on keeping testicular size during cycle, you might wanna check this out –
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/potratz/opioid-modulation.htm
-Pp
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Primordial Performance said:
Thanks Pp- thought the shot could given either Sub-Q or intramuscularly - although sub-Q with a slin pin is easier.
I read the article but I am not familiar with the compounds listed. Can you boil it down to laymen's terms for the A.D.D. crowd? Also, are those compounds already available pre-made elsewhere and I just haven't seen them referenced before?
Thanks for the info.
tshoot said:
I haven’t sourced the compounds so I couldn’t tell ya – but I bet they could be found for “research purposes”.
The idea behind the article is that the opioid antagonists will block the suppressive effects that AAS have on the hypothalamus and pituitary, so they can continue releasing LH and FSH as normal, and preserve testicular size and sensitivity.
-Pp
msam76
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karter said:
Unless you are a whore like me, then I have no idea what you mean by customers. Unless you are talking about your shitty ug business. That horrible quality no one compete with. Funny how you say you are just kidding, I think you are just tired of being in the red all the time.
tshoot said:
I dont know anyone who has tried this -- yet. The article was just released a week ago.
Naltrexone and nalmefene are both orally active.
You might want to start a thread on this topic if you want more thoughts/opinions.
-Pp
