PCT is TWO Things, Remember?

[Nelson Montana]

Sometimes people forget that PCT isn't just restoring the HPTA, but repairing the liver as well. Some guys overlook this , especially if they don't take orals. But getting the liver working at top efficiency is imperative to full recovery -- not only in regard to health, but in regard to keeping muscle.

If the liver is sluggish, nutrients aren;'t processed properly. Why risk losing all the muscle you worked hard for because your liver is not optimum? And if you're thinking of adding Beastdrol, this is a no brainer. Needto has come out with a product that may very well do away with oral steroids. BUT...and this isn't something they're trying to hide -- as with all methylated substances, it's hell on the liver. You MUST do a PCT that focuses on fixing it. We all know that.

There are 3 approaches to liver protection and detox. The herbal route is one. POST CYCLE contains Milk Thistle and Liv 52 has a variety of herbs designed to cleanse and fortify the liver.

There's also the nutrition route. NAC is especially important and effective. (Also contained in POST CYCLE) Inositol and choline is good also, as is r-ala. (Also in POST CYCLE).

But the one substance that is proven to actually regenerate liver cells is picroliv. And, no surprise, it's in POST CYCLE. Are you starting to see why we gave it that name?! : )

EF just got a fresh new shipment and is offering the best price and free shipping. (You bastards don't know how lucky you are. I used to have to track down herbal distributors for months to do this shit. Today, it's a click away and at a fraction of the cost).

So if you're planning a cycle and especially if you're going to use the ew designer steroids, BE PREPARED and make sure your liver is covered. It's the only one you got.

 

[Toptoon1]

Didnt even know the liver was a concern in PCT, thanks.

 

[sweed]

Very good post and this is something that is definetly overlooked! I would rather over do a pct than to under do one. That's good to know those ingredients are in your POST CYCLE. It seems every week there is something I want to add into my pct, haha.

 

[UA_Iron]

No, Dipshit, PCT is one umbrella idea.

And that is restoring all your body's functions back to normal. Saying it's "two things" is just as bad as saying its one thing.

Likewise, the liver has an uncanny ability to regenerate itself.

Nelson, maybe you should sell a supplement that reduces blood pressure naturally. That way when you start a new thread like this you can get to the real heart of the issue; where most people's concern should be...heart health.

 

[Nelson Montana]

No, Dipshit, PCT is one umbrella idea.

And that is restoring all your body's functions back to normal. Saying it's "two things" is just as bad as saying its one thing.

Likewise, the liver has an uncanny ability to regenerate itself.

Nelson, maybe you should sell a supplement that reduces blood pressure naturally. That way when you start a new thread like this you can get to the real heart of the issue; where most people's concern should be...heart health.

Kinda just trying to be disagreeable for the sake of being disagreeable aren't you?

Also, use words like "dipshit" one more time and you'll get your ass banned, I don't care how many crowns you have.

 

[UA_Iron]

Kinda just trying to be disagreeable for the sake of being disagreeable aren't you?

Also, use words like "dipshit" one more time and you'll get your ass banned, I don't care how many crowns you have.

Absolutely.

There's a lot of impressionable people on this board. Every post you make is a hidden advertisement and not in the best interest of EF members. While I understand your agenda, a lot of people get the wrong idea.

I will not be banned.

 

[needtogetaas]

No, Dipshit, PCT is one umbrella idea.

And that is restoring all your body's functions back to normal. Saying it's "two things" is just as bad as saying its one thing.

Likewise, the liver has an uncanny ability to regenerate itself.

Nelson, maybe you should sell a supplement that reduces blood pressure naturally. That way when you start a new thread like this you can get to the real heart of the issue; where most people's concern should be...heart health.

You have every right in the world to disagree and debate a subject. What you will not do is call people names and act like a child. Last warning.

 

[needtogetaas]

Absolutely.

There's a lot of impressionable people on this board. Every post you make is a hidden advertisement and not in the best interest of EF members. While I understand your agenda, a lot of people get the wrong idea.

I will not be banned.

You wanna bet?

 

[UA_Iron]

You have every right in the world to disagree and debate a subject. What you will not do is call people names and act like a child. Last warning.

Done and done.

 

[needtogetaas]

I am fine with everything you are saying. But you can say it with out the name calling. Thanks.

 

[UA_Iron]

I am fine with everything you are saying. But you can say it with out the name calling. Thanks.

My apologies to Nelson.

 

[theemperor]

Nelson, you are doing fine bro. I am glad you are here to help all of the EF bro's.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Absolutely.

There's a lot of impressionable people on this board. Every post you make is a hidden advertisement and not in the best interest of EF members. While I understand your agenda, a lot of people get the wrong idea.

I will not be banned.

You're wrong on all counts bro.

First of all, there's no hidden agenda. Of course I want members to know about my products. I designed them specifically for advanced lifters and guys who use gear. If I just wanted to make a quick buck I could sell some tribulus bullshit I purchased from a warehouse.

Secondly, there are many people who sell supplements, including needto and Omega and they're 2 of the most helpful people here.

Thirdly, I believe what I do is very much in the interest of EF members and most would agree included those who run the site. it's also insulting to the board members that they are being "impressionable" if they take my advice over yours.

Apology accepted, but the misinformation is not forgotten. Some silly name calling doesn't change my life, but it sets a president that is truly a disruption to the board. Let's not have that.

 

[UA_Iron]

You're wrong on all counts bro.

First of all, there's no hidden agenda. Of course I want members to know about my products. I designed them specifically for advanced lifters and guys who use gear. If I just wanted to make a quick buck I could sell some tribulus bullshit I purchased from a warehouse.

Secondly, there are many people who sell supplements, including needto and Omega and they're 2 of the most helpful people here.

Thirdly, I believe what I do is very much in the interest of EF members and most would agree included those who run the site. it's also insulting to the board members that they are being "impressionable" if they take my advice over yours.

Apology accepted, but the misinformation is not forgotten. Some silly name calling doesn't change my life, but it sets a president that is truly a disruption to the board. Let's not have that.

I spread no misinformation. I believe you help people for the most part, but the whole complete story is what is lacking.

PCT does not concern itself with two things specifically like you stated. In fact, liver support is something that you should be using while on AAS, not specifically PCT. Your logic usually needs to be checked, Nelson - hence my frustration and using the word "dipshit."

I have used your post cycle and unleashed, I stand by them. They definitely aided in recovery, and it was very noticeable. In fact, I have never been disappointed with any of the sites sponsors.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I spread no misinformation. I believe you help people for the most part, but the whole complete story is what is lacking.

PCT does not concern itself with two things specifically like you stated. In fact, liver support is something that you should be using while on AAS, not specifically PCT. Your logic usually needs to be checked, Nelson - hence my frustration and using the word "dipshit."

I have used your post cycle and unleashed, I stand by them. They definitely aided in recovery, and it was very noticeable. In fact, I have never been disappointed with any of the sites sponsors.

Well, it sounds like you just need to make your point clearer, and more politely.

Sure, PCT is many things, but the immediate concern is getting levels back to normal, most notably, HPTA, and liver. That was my point and I think most everyone understood it. And yes, using POST CYCLE while "on" is a good idea and recommended.

 

[EXTREMEBOWHNTR]

so if post cycle is for post cycle what do you use while on???? i know what i use whats your input????

 

[kooley]

EVERY board people push products of their own.. its sad but true.. do you think anybody cares about anybody???? NOPE!! LOL!!!! if you do keep dreaming.. it is pathetic and even scary.. $$$ will always run the world and any little aspect in it.. each board you will find the "expert" crowning something as the god of supplements.. and guess what- they either get a kick back or its their supplement..
word of advice: do your own research.. dont buy the you need this and you cant do that.. always beware

 

[aquatic_glories]

LOL at these things. I am waiting for the biggest fight

 

[needtogetaas]

EVERY board people push products of their own.. its sad but true.. do you think anybody cares about anybody???? NOPE!! LOL!!!! if you do keep dreaming.. it is pathetic and even scary.. $$$ will always run the world and any little aspect in it.. each board you will find the "expert" crowning something as the god of supplements.. and guess what- they either get a kick back or its their supplement..
word of advice: do your own research.. dont buy the you need this and you cant do that.. always beware

Of course on any board you will have people with products. That is deff a fact. You do not have to use any of them though and here on this board everyone is allowed to speak there mind. SO long as they are respectful to one another.

Now we have great sponsors with great products (not all the products are great) but for the most part a lot of good ones.

We make sure people get them at a cheap price. Not only this but the sponsors,leaders,mentors,vets of this board give out information and help people with everything from A to Z and often times this help has nothing to do with products. Just general aas,diet,work out advice. Encouragement and more.

We have a great family here and Yes we do all care about each other. Yes almost all of us put people, our friends, and our family here on ef first.


So you coming here acting like this is not a great board, a great family of friends helping each other day in and day out. Well that right there kind of gets my goat a bit there bro.

So please check yourself and thank you.


PS you can bet your ass I have, and many other people have been teaching all the members that they do need to learn how to read,research, ask questions and find information on there own. This is very much encouraged on this board. You are not telling anyone anything new.

 

[needtogetaas]

I spread no misinformation. I believe you help people for the most part, but the whole complete story is what is lacking.

PCT does not concern itself with two things specifically like you stated. In fact, liver support is something that you should be using while on AAS, not specifically PCT. Your logic usually needs to be checked, Nelson - hence my frustration and using the word "dipshit."

I have used your post cycle and unleashed, I stand by them. They definitely aided in recovery, and it was very noticeable. In fact, I have never been disappointed with any of the sites sponsors.

I like lipid stable for lipid support. Other products are good to.

 

[kooley]

Of course on any board you will have people with products. That is deff a fact. You do not have to use any of them though and here on this board everyone is allowed to speak there mind. SO long as they are respectful to one another.

Now we have great sponsors with great products (not all the products are great) but for the most part a lot of good ones.

We make sure people get them at a cheap price. Not only this but the sponsors,leaders,mentors,vets of this board give out information and help people with everything from A to Z and often times this help has nothing to do with products. Just general aas,diet,work out advice. Encouragement and more.

We have a great family here and Yes we do all care about each other. Yes almost all of us put people, our friends, and our family here on ef first.


So you coming here acting like this is not a great board, a great family of friends helping each other day in and day out. Well that right there kind of gets my goat a bit there bro.

So please check yourself and thank you.


PS you can bet your ass I have, and many other people have been teaching all the members that they do need to learn how to read,research, ask questions and find information on there own. This is very much encouraged on this board. You are not telling anyone anything new.

dude relax.. did I say this wasnt a great board ? I think you inferred that.. I stated the fact that people just push their products and that is their number one priority.. thats all.. I think there is some great info here, but you just have to find it.. just have to dig a bit deeper.. also I will probably be one of the people who support our sponsors and the boards products the most as I staff over 50+ security staff who trusts what I say.. I dont think I need to check myself for anything... Im all good..
thank you bro!

 

[sweed]

great thread. compelling and rich.

 

[Nelson Montana]

so if post cycle is for post cycle what do you use while on???? i know what i use whats your input????

Anything that helps your health -- vitamins, cholesterol stuff, herbs for heart or liver -- it's all good bro.

And for anyone thinking that they're they're being a savior of the board by getting all pious and telling people WATCH OUT! THEY"RE TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING! Save your breath. Life is business and it can't exist without people making money.

The DIFFERENCE, as needto says, is that you have vets here that help with a whole host of topics. And if they have some products that work and are at a great price, what's your problem? Now if someone was coming on and not offering any help and just pushing crap on people, that's another story. And they should be called on it. But NOBODY is saying my stuff or needto's is crap. So what are you trying to alert people to? It's just grandstanding.

Most members aren't stupid. They know the difference between Musclteck hype and stuff that experienced trainers use. If you choose not to take advantage of that, fine. But it's neither noble or smart and nobody needs to hear how that you've decided to ignore being both. If that's what you want to do, go bust the balls of some of the sites and companies that sell garbage and charge an arm and a leg for it.

 

[theemperor]

I don't know how many times I have had to say this but EF has and is the BEST Board I have been in. I have been in a couple of HUGE boards that had good folks but as an OVERALL POSTITIVE, EF family is an asset to have. NeedTo, Mods, and rest of us folks here are helpful and we are always for the most part a helping hand and corteous to each other. I don't kiss ass , so when I make a good comment on someone, that's cause its being genuine. Mods take good care of us!! Not trying to take away the topic at hand, just my personal feelings.

 

[cal62887]

I like lipid stable for lipid support. Other products are good to.

Thanks for the support, Need2.

Lipid Stabil is definitely gaining notability among many Veteran users.


In addition, if any of the information in this thread is news to you, you may want to pick up Anabolics 9th by William Llewellyn. Here is some feedback from your fellow board members.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/anabolics-9th-ed-shipping-next-week-627276.html

 

[superclock]

Anything that helps your health -- vitamins, cholesterol stuff, herbs for heart or liver -- it's all good bro.

And for anyone thinking that they're they're being a savior of the board by getting all pious and telling people WATCH OUT! THEY"RE TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING! Save your breath. Life is business and it can't exist without people making money.

The DIFFERENCE, as needto says, is that you have vets here that help with a whole host of topics. And if they have some products that work and are at a great price, what's your problem? Now if someone was coming on and not offering any help and just pushing crap on people, that's another story. And they should be called on it. But NOBODY is saying my stuff or needto's is crap. So what are you trying to alert people to? It's just grandstanding.

Most members aren't stupid. They know the difference between Musclteck hype and stuff that experienced trainers use. If you choose not to take advantage of that, fine. But it's neither noble or smart and nobody needs to hear how that you've decided to ignore being both. If that's what you want to do, go bust the balls of some of the sites and companies that sell garbage and charge an arm and a leg for it.

Does this mean the mods have a responsibility to warn EF members if a sponsor's product is bunk? I would think so. But this never happens. I understand that people need to make money, and there are a lot of good products that are pushed on this forum, but if the mods were TRULY interested in the well being of the members, they would be warning people about the bullshit too.

 

[2evil]

Does this mean the mods have a responsibility to warn EF members if a sponsor's product is bunk? I would think so. But this never happens. I understand that people need to make money, and there are a lot of good products that are pushed on this forum, but if the mods were TRULY interested in the well being of the members, they would be warning people about the bullshit too.

I have to disagree:

Legalsteroids is horsecrap. I hope that companies burns to the ground.


Check out the other threads in the supplement section bro. There is plenty of information. read up.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...-information-about-legal-steriods-627839.html

NeedTo has ripped them plenty too...

 

[needtogetaas]

dude relax.. did I say this wasnt a great board ? I think you inferred that.. I stated the fact that people just push their products and that is their number one priority.. thats all.. I think there is some great info here, but you just have to find it.. just have to dig a bit deeper.. also I will probably be one of the people who support our sponsors and the boards products the most as I staff over 50+ security staff who trusts what I say.. I dont think I need to check myself for anything... Im all good..
thank you bro!

Well I don't see anyone here making that there number one. I see it as a part of why some people are hear but let me explain something to you.

We as a family and a team hand pick the sponsors we like. We hand pick and accept the people we allow to get respect and a backing around here.

I know all the sponsors here ( the ones active on the boards all the time) on a first name basis. I know them not only as members but as friends. I know them as people out there in the trenches with the rest of us. Helping members day and night. Giving of them self all day long.

These are the sponsor we like. The ones that make it a point to be part of the family. They make it a point to be here to answer questions about there product but about any and everything. The ones that spend hours in pm's just helping people. The ones that are our friends.

The sponsors that give use better prices then they would give others. The sponsors that throw out some free products for a ef fitness contest. The sponsors that will give some free products to the board vets,mentors and the members that do a lot to make this board great.


I AM A SPONSOR OF THIS BOARD. YUP I AM. I AM ALSO THE EXT ELITE MOD ON ALL TRAINING AND AAS FORUMS TO.

I bust my ass doing all the behind the seens thing to keep this board clean and running good. I spend 5 hours a day in pm's some times and not once saying a thing about a product I sell.

People know me and know me for this. They know the advice I give,the help I give. Hundreds of thousands of people have passed threw my pm box and all of them have been helped to the fullest. Thousands of them on this forum all day everyday. When they see me they see a guy that is there to help


A guy who helps first and lets selling a product or making a buck fall into place behind that.


Now I did this for years making nothing at all. And for you to tell me that now because I am a sponsor or have a product that I sell here. That this makes me some one who puts selling a product first. Well I am sorry you are sadly mistaken.

I did it for nothing, I would still do it for nothing. I just so happen to have products now. But This in no way makes me magically care any less about the members and my friends here.

I spent 45 mins today writing out a diet plan for one member. He was new and I did not even know who the hell he was. All I knew is he asked me for help.

So excuse me for thinking you damn sure do need to check your self and when I say you do you damn well do. Its not a request its a order................

 

[shawn_h001]

Needto and all the mods go over and above when it comes to helping EF members. I've personally gotten help from Needto, he didn't know who I was, I'd only been on the board for a few days at that time, he could have just as easily ignored me like I'm sure many others would have. But he didn't, he helped me.

 

[needtogetaas]

Does this mean the mods have a responsibility to warn EF members if a sponsor's product is bunk? I would think so. But this never happens. I understand that people need to make money, and there are a lot of good products that are pushed on this forum, but if the mods were TRULY interested in the well being of the members, they would be warning people about the bullshit too.

You have no idea what you are talking about. NON at all.

 

[needtogetaas]

I have to disagree:



http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...-information-about-legal-steriods-627839.html

NeedTo has ripped them plenty too...

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[needtogetaas]

Me hmm I am sure one of the mods,mentors or some one thinks one of my products suck. AAAHH yes I rmember a member or two saying they sucked. I never gave them a problem about it.

Yes I remember perfect frigging example right here. This member right here made a thread about my protein bars. Said he did not think they were all that great. socalmuscle
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/members/socalmuscle.html
that is profile.

Yet he has been in pm's with me all week long and I have been helping him with his cycle. Getting ready for a contest. He is on a tren cycle and I have been helping him out. At least 20 pm's or more have been exchanged between us this week. I remember him distinctly because he did not like the bars.

Did I let that effect how fast I got back to him? did I let it effect how much I help him? did I let it effect any aspect of our friendship? Or any aspect of how I as a leader and a helper should treat the members of this forum? Or did I treat him as a =. Like every other member. knowing damn well nothing was going to come of it in the way of money for me or for the site. Not a single dime.

Go ask him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[needtogetaas]

And this subject is going no where. The long time vets and good members of this board need no explanation. They already know whats up.