PCT is going great

[humble]

Well, just finished a 500mg test e/ 600mg EQ cycle, pct consists of hcg 500units everyday for ten days, along with clomid 50mg ed.

I started my pct 5 days after last shot, I have lost about 7 lbs, strength is still good, I am weighing at 281lbs.

I am done with hcg for now, balls are nice a big, and I feel great.

Any other advice fellas? This was my first cycle. age 25, solid workout routine for 8 yrs.

 

[SwolK]

did you start the clomid 5 days after your the last shot of test e and eq?

 

[humble]

Yes, clomid and hcg were started five days after last shot.

 

[T-Matt]

Well, just finished a 500mg test e/ 600mg EQ cycle, pct consists of hcg 500units everyday for ten days, along with clomid 50mg ed.

I started my pct 5 days after last shot, I have lost about 7 lbs, strength is still good, I am weighing at 281lbs.

I am done with hcg for now, balls are nice a big, and I feel great.

Any other advice fellas? This was my first cycle. age 25, solid workout routine for 8 yrs.

Sounds good! If I were you I would continue with AIFM for 2 more weeks just to keep estrogen levels at bay..

Of course, you want to decide whether you want to do another cycle.. Just read up and make an educated decision. Keep things simple and maintain your solid training principles and be sure to always set goals and hold yourself accountable.. Other than that just keep us posted!

T-MAtt

 

[jmead]

just wondering.. but did you stager your test/eq.. like stop the eq a wk before the test.. and still 5 days seems kind of soon? the hcg ok.. but pct shouldnt have started for liek 21 days after the last eq shot.. if i know what im talking about.. which might be wrong.. duuur i are retard

 

[SwolK]

Yes, clomid and hcg were started five days after last shot.

clomid should not have been started 5 days after Test and EQ. I would have waited at least 10 days, probably 15 or more. you started the HCG at the correct time.

maybe Drr, mac, or ulter... will chime in, but I think 5 days was way too early to start clomid

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Why did you start your Clomid so early ? I would have waited at least 2 1/2-3 weeks after the last dose of Eq to start my PCT.

M18

 

[jmead]

Why did you start your Clomid so early ? I would have waited at least 2 1/2-3 weeks after the last dose of Eq to start my PCT.

M18

hey turns out i was right.. if i could id give myself karma.. and a blowjob.. eerr

 

[humble]

Why did you start your Clomid so early ? I would have waited at least 2 1/2-3 weeks after the last dose of Eq to start my PCT.

M18

I got this from Jenetic in the PCT room on this board;

2.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 3 weeks.

I used 500 units of HCG just because, nolvadex was not used because I was just using test and eq.

 

[humble]

Sounds good! If I were you I would continue with AIFM for 2 more weeks just to keep estrogen levels at bay..

Of course, you want to decide whether you want to do another cycle.. Just read up and make an educated decision. Keep things simple and maintain your solid training principles and be sure to always set goals and hold yourself accountable.. Other than that just keep us posted!

T-MAtt

Forgot to mention that, Aifm has been used and still using it. Thanks

 

[humble]

just wondering.. but did you stager your test/eq.. like stop the eq a wk before the test.. and still 5 days seems kind of soon? the hcg ok.. but pct shouldnt have started for liek 21 days after the last eq shot.. if i know what im talking about.. which might be wrong.. duuur i are retard

I ran my eq for 15 wks and test for 13 weeks.

 

[humble]

clomid should not have been started 5 days after Test and EQ. I would have waited at least 10 days, probably 15 or more. you started the HCG at the correct time.

maybe Drr, mac, or ulter... will chime in, but I think 5 days was way too early to start clomid

What is your theory behind this, I have done alot of reading on here, but I guess I miss some stuff, fill me in bro.

I appreciate all the advice I can get.

 

[jmead]

What is your theory behind this, I have done alot of reading on here, but I guess I miss some stuff, fill me in bro.

I appreciate all the advice I can get.

the test / eq is still in your body.. you cant recover if your test levels cant recover.. your pct is supposed to start when all your aas has left your system.. and your body is ready to return to its normal state

 

[humble]

the test / eq is still in your body.. you cant recover if your test levels cant recover.. your pct is supposed to start when all your aas has left your system.. and your body is ready to return to its normal state

Well, should I stop clomid, and wait another week, I am at the end of week two since the cycle is over.

 

[humble]

oh, and by the way, this clomid taste like crap :

 

[jmead]

i would try and get bloodwork done asap.. check ur free test.. me personally id stop the clomid give it a week then go at it again.. but im sure others have better info.. i just know it was started too soon, sorry good luck

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I got this from Jenetic in the PCT room on this board;

2.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 3 weeks.

I used 500 units of HCG just because, nolvadex was not used because I was just using test and eq.

Starting the HCG right away is fine but it would make no sence to start Clomid/Nolva use while you still have a high level of AAS in your System.

M18

 

[Selene]

very good to hear,

 

[SwolK]

What is your theory behind this, I have done alot of reading on here, but I guess I miss some stuff, fill me in bro.

I appreciate all the advice I can get.

your test levels are still too high. you wait until they drop (hopefully around normal, before it drops too low) then start the clomid. I would have waited a week after last inject of eq, then done 10 days of HCG at 500mg, then done at least 3 weeks of clomid

 

[JKurz1]

So, if ou were only taking 250mg of test/week...would you start pct sooner? I also thought hcg was the week after last inj and then clomid was after that....not together.

 

[SwolK]

So, if ou were only taking 250mg of test/week...would you start pct sooner? I also thought hcg was the week after last inj and then clomid was after that....not together.

yes, although sometimes with short acting esters there may be some overlap.
last cycle i made the mistake of starting hcg and clomid 3 days after my last prop injection. i should have started the HCG the last week of the cycle.

250mg test E--- i would start clomid 10 days after last inject. hcg for 10 days after last inject. so when hcg ends, clomid starts.
EQ is a long ester-thats why you wait longer till clomid starts.

there may be others opinions on this, but just speaking for myself

 

[chestmaster1]

your test levels are still too high. you wait until they drop (hopefully around normal, before it drops too low) then start the clomid. I would have waited a week after last inject of eq, then done 10 days of HCG at 500mg, then done at least 3 weeks of clomid

This is taken from jenetics pct protocol

When to begin PCT:

On average, begin PCT approximately 5-10 days after your last injection regardless of longer acting esters. Begin PCT 1-3 days after your last injection and/or intake when using short acting esters.

Keep in mind, pituitary LH secretion automatically increases as the hormones diminish from your system. The elevated androgen levels are from an exogenous source and your endogenous production is suppressed. Therefore, waiting for the exogenous androgens to completely clear from your system, ultimately results in lower total concentrations of androgens in your system when beginning PCT. This leads to an unfavorable andgrogen:estrogen ratio and the well known “crash” effect.

 

[Dellyo]

Short esters?

 

[humble]

This is taken from jenetics pct protocol

When to begin PCT:

On average, begin PCT approximately 5-10 days after your last injection regardless of longer acting esters. Begin PCT 1-3 days after your last injection and/or intake when using short acting esters.

Keep in mind, pituitary LH secretion automatically increases as the hormones diminish from your system. The elevated androgen levels are from an exogenous source and your endogenous production is suppressed. Therefore, waiting for the exogenous androgens to completely clear from your system, ultimately results in lower total concentrations of androgens in your system when beginning PCT. This leads to an unfavorable andgrogen:estrogen ratio and the well known “crash” effect.

Thanks, thats what I needed.

 

[ortiz34]

Of course your PCT is going great, it's WAY to early to crash yet. With your PCT timing I'd say it's bound to happen and you won't be so perky and slappin your dick all over the keyboard like you are now.

 

[humble]

Of course you PCT is going great, it's WAY to early to crash yet. With your PCT timing I'd say it's bound to happen and you won't be so perky and slappin your dick all over the keyboard like you are know.

blah blah blah, dick in your mouth blah blah blah.

 

[SwolK]

This is taken from jenetics pct protocol

When to begin PCT:

On average, begin PCT approximately 5-10 days after your last injection regardless of longer acting esters. Begin PCT 1-3 days after your last injection and/or intake when using short acting esters.

Keep in mind, pituitary LH secretion automatically increases as the hormones diminish from your system. The elevated androgen levels are from an exogenous source and your endogenous production is suppressed. Therefore, waiting for the exogenous androgens to completely clear from your system, ultimately results in lower total concentrations of androgens in your system when beginning PCT. This leads to an unfavorable andgrogen:estrogen ratio and the well known “crash” effect.

interesting. I dont know for sure which way is right. its always good to see other opinions. I think what i outlined above is the general opinion, but im saying that i am right