PCT Gurus, step foward..

[Jbranken]

I was hoping some of the vets and more experienced fellas would shed some light and converse a bit about your thoughts on a modern PCT. My pct has until recently consisted of nolva, osta, aromasin, the usual supports, a t-booster, blah blah. Seeing people post around about nolva being shit has convinced me to run my future pct's without it, or give it a try. There also some who speculate that using a tbooster during pct is actually counter productive--sometimes raising E levels, and helping to keep you suppressed longer, hindering the recovery process. What are your current thoughts as far as:

Does clomid still have a place in pct or is it outdated too?

Do natural T boosters really have a place in pct since they don't raise LH or FSH?

Are they raising E in PCT and keeping you suppressed? (Increased libido does NOT mean increases T levels)

Your natty T is extremely low by the start of PCT so how can T boosters effectively boost nothing?

Is Aromasin a staple in your PCT like it is in mine?

Someone claimed using HCGenerate on cycle was a bad idea because it halted the decline of T levels, which hurt the PCT process, since clomid shines when T levels are low.

Feel free to express your thoughts. I'm taking a second look at the way I PCT.

 

[EZ_E]

I was hoping some of the vets and more experienced fellas would shed some light and converse a bit about your thoughts on a modern PCT. My pct has until recently consisted of nolva, osta, aromasin, the usual supports, a t-booster, blah blah. Seeing people post around about nolva being shit has convinced me to run my future pct's without it, or give it a try. There also some who speculate that using a tbooster during pct is actually counter productive--sometimes raising E levels, and helping to keep you suppressed longer, hindering the recovery process. What are your current thoughts as far as:

Does clomid still have a place in pct or is it outdated too?
It still has place, some guys use it/some don't

Do natural T boosters really have a place in pct since they don't raise LH or FSH?
IMO most of these test boosters are GNC bullshit

Are they raising E in PCT and keeping you suppressed? (Increased libido does NOT mean increases T levels)

Your natty T is extremely low by the start of PCT so is how can it effectively boost nothing?

Is Aromasin a staple in your PCT like it is in mine?
Aromasin while on, Forma Stanzol for PCT

Someone claimed using HCGenerate on cycle was a bad idea because it halted the decline of T levels, which hurt the PCT process, since clomid shines when T levels are low.
I start HCGen mid-late in the cycle, never heard of that but I suppose it's possible

Feel free to express your thoughts. I'm taking a second look at the way I PCT.

Just my thoughts, I would like to see guys like Nelson, Stevesmi, Dylan to chime in here...

~EZ

 

[kfriesen]

Someone claimed using HCGenerate on cycle was a bad idea because it halted the decline of T levels, which hurt the PCT process, since clomid shines when T levels are low.

Clomid or not, I, personally, feel there is no benefit to letting your natty test drop.. That's the whole point of pct is to reverse that. Which is easier? Getting to the top of a 20 story building from the ground? Or the 10th floor?

 

[RADAR]

Clomid or not, I, personally, feel there is no benefit to letting your natty test drop.. That's the whole point of pct is to reverse that. Which is easier? Getting to the top of a 20 story building from the ground? Or the 10th floor?

Theres no difference if the building has an elevator



If you use steroids your natural T levels are going to drop

The purpose of PCT is to get your HPTA back up running ASAP

Post cycle (NTBM) is designed to do that, also add "Unleashed" to free up SHBG
here we have alot of things to pick from the make things alot smoother
DAA, HCGenerate, Formastanazol .just to name a few."Bridge" after PCT to help solidify gains...etc.

 

[NegroPops]

I will chime in on a few things with my opinion.

I don't think Nolva is garbage, it just isn't a good option for PCT if it is the only thing you plan to use. It doesn't do anything to restore your bodies HPTA, so after PCT you are basically back to where you started. Nolva is a good addition to PCT plan if you are extremely prone to gyno, or already have the symptoms for it developing.

Aromasin isn't a bad option to use during PCT, it will defiantly keep access estrogen at bay, and will cease any type of estrogen rebound that tries to occur in conjunction with a SERM. I believe tho that Forma Stanzol is better option during PCT. Not only is it a great AI, but it also has SERM qualities, and test Boosting and HPTA restoring properties as well.

Basically everything you have asked is debatable either way. I would say though, that the most important thing you can use to help you recover is HCG. The entire goal of PCT is to restore your bodies HPTA, and not having it fully shut down going into it is the best way for you to recover.

 

[Jbranken]

HCG is very important and I didn't mean to exclude it, I was just talking more about the more controversial parts of pct I guess such as serms and ais and otc t boosters. Very good responses so far but I don't believe all natty t boosters are just GNC crap though most of them are. A few have studies and research backing them that show they actually work and these are mainly the ones I was talking about. Anyways more responses are welcomed