PCT expectations & actual reality

[stevesmi]

also I will add that those that say time on= time off + PCT I would like to see your blood test results of where they were at before your cycle and then after that.

i doubt if you were 500 TT before then you are 500 TT after that short a time frame. perhaps its young guys in their early 20's tho can pull that off but if you are 26+ years old then i am skeptical. i would like to be wrong if someone can post their results before/after.

 

[Nelson Montana]

this is a good thread.

I tried the natty PCT and my test levels were 98. then i tried the hcg/clomid PCT and it was 119. I think it takes a lot longer to recover then people think.

many cyclists run a 16 week cycle or whatever then run a 1 month PCT, then go 16 weeks off.. and then think they can jump right back on a cycle and be GTG. then 5 years later of doing this over and over again they figure out they are screwed and now must go on HRT FOREVER!!

after much deliberation I have decided to run ONE cycle per year.. that is all.. the cycle will happen during the cooler months of the year .. and also the cycle will be no longer then 10 weeks.. on sustanon you will get a 13 week window, that is a bit more then 3 months to work your ASS OFF in the gym. then you spend the rest of the year mantaining those gains and recovering.

I believe this is the best way.

A perfect example of misleading information. Did you use the clomid AFTERWARD -- because you were longer along in the recovery, so the CLomid probably did nothing. AND you used HCG, which of course will raise test TEMPORARILY. And what natty route did you take? POST CYCLE and UNLEASHED? If so, I can;t believe your free wasn;t higher.

There are also a million other factors. Time, dosage, duration of cycles -- what substances were used. It all matters.

Smart move doing shorter cycles. It does help in recovery. This "you're shut down anyway so it doesn;t matter" mentality is off base.

 

[stevesmi]

A perfect example of misleading information. Did you use the clomid AFTERWARD -- because you were longer along in the recovery, so the CLomid probably did nothing. AND you used HCG, which of course will raise test TEMPORARILY. And what natty route did you take? POST CYCLE and UNLEASHED? If so, I can;t believe your free wasn;t higher. quote]

there was a long thread about exactly what I did that was deleted.. the title was "Blood test results, not good guys" it turned into a war between the natty guys and the clomid/nolva guys which wasn't the intention of the thread but rather I was asking for help in correcting my current situation and figuring out how better I can PCT in the future. you commented on that thread several times I can remember, as did just about everyone else

I then did a followup thread with a similar title updating my PCT troubles which got little attention http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...results-part-2-oof-not-good-again-720395.html.

the natty PCT was 2 unleashed bottles, 2 post cycle bottles, hcgenerate from week 7 of my cycle through PCT.

i did keep my balls so i do credit hcgenerate with that. the first cycle i ever did my balls turned to raisins without it.

here is my post from that 2nd thread which details exactly what I took

to review:

29 years old. 2nd cycle. ran a 12 week deca/sustanon cycle. 400mg deca/week.. 500mg sust/week. also took beast 3 weeks .. started HCGenerate week 7 and ran it into PCT.

first PCT was natty for 1 month... Unleashed/post cycle/more HCGenerate/Formestane.

did a blood test. total test was 98. (did not do free test)

ran a 2nd PCT immediately. this time ran hcg 250iu's ED for 20 days. then ran 25-50mg Clomid ED for 20 days. Clomid coincided with hcg for 1 week, meaning the total 2nd PCT was 1 month. also have been running some Unleashed and bridge ED.

its been 2 1/2 months since my last sustanon injection and I've run TWO PCT's both natty and Clomid/hcg.

total testosterone is just 119 (250-1100 is normal range) and free test is 20.2 (35-155 is the range for free test, quest measures differently then labcorp)

what do you guys think I should do now? run a 3rd PCT? or just let the body recover on its own and test again in a month? and how long did it take you to recover from this type of cycle?

 

[stevesmi]

from what I gathered from that 2nd thread I put up on my PCT troubles I was advised to try dostinex and run a stronger PCT which I am doing. also running BRIDGE.. i am almost done with my first bottle and have a 2nd bottle i'm about to open.

any advice is greatly appreciated.. I will say I did 'feel' better on hcg, and clomid made me feel crappy. thats all i can say until i get yet another blood test in another month.

miraculously (or not) i can still bench 280 (my cycle high was 315) and my body looks good still but I have put on 1.5-2% of body fat since my cycle ended. overall weight from the peak is down 7 pounds.

so I am hanging in there but I want to get recovered ASAP before I lose anything else

 

[Nelson Montana]

A perfect example of misleading information. Did you use the clomid AFTERWARD -- because you were longer along in the recovery, so the CLomid probably did nothing. AND you used HCG, which of course will raise test TEMPORARILY. And what natty route did you take? POST CYCLE and UNLEASHED? If so, I can;t believe your free wasn;t higher. quote]

there was a long thread about exactly what I did that was deleted.. the title was "Blood test results, not good guys" it turned into a war between the natty guys and the clomid/nolva guys which wasn't the intention of the thread but rather I was asking for help in correcting my current situation and figuring out how better I can PCT in the future. you commented on that thread several times I can remember, as did just about everyone else

I then did a followup thread with a similar title updating my PCT troubles which got little attention http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...results-part-2-oof-not-good-again-720395.html.

the natty PCT was 2 unleashed bottles, 2 post cycle bottles, hcgenerate from week 7 of my cycle through PCT.

i did keep my balls so i do credit hcgenerate with that. the first cycle i ever did my balls turned to raisins without it.

here is my post from that 2nd thread which details exactly what I took

to review:

29 years old. 2nd cycle. ran a 12 week deca/sustanon cycle. 400mg deca/week.. 500mg sust/week. also took beast 3 weeks .. started HCGenerate week 7 and ran it into PCT.

first PCT was natty for 1 month... Unleashed/post cycle/more HCGenerate/Formestane.

did a blood test. total test was 98. (did not do free test)

ran a 2nd PCT immediately. this time ran hcg 250iu's ED for 20 days. then ran 25-50mg Clomid ED for 20 days. Clomid coincided with hcg for 1 week, meaning the total 2nd PCT was 1 month. also have been running some Unleashed and bridge ED.

its been 2 1/2 months since my last sustanon injection and I've run TWO PCT's both natty and Clomid/hcg.

total testosterone is just 119 (250-1100 is normal range) and free test is 20.2 (35-155 is the range for free test, quest measures differently then labcorp)

what do you guys think I should do now? run a 3rd PCT? or just let the body recover on its own and test again in a month? and how long did it take you to recover from this type of cycle?

Once again, I recommend HCG ALONG WITH the natty supps. Since you didn;t do that, you didn;t really follow the proper course. Then you ADDED it ALONG with Clomid and are accrediting Clmid for the improvment. It was the HCG, not the clomid.

At a certain poitn, there's only so much that can be done. Continue with UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and BRIDGE and give it time. Check it in another 2 months. I'll bet your numbers will be a lot better. If not, HRT may be in order.

 

[stevesmi]

Once again, I recommend HCG ALONG WITH the natty supps. Since you didn;t do that, you didn;t really follow the proper course. Then you ADDED it ALONG with Clomid and are accrediting Clmid for the improvment. It was the HCG, not the clomid.

At a certain poitn, there's only so much that can be done. Continue with UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and BRIDGE and give it time. Check it in another 2 months. I'll bet your numbers will be a lot better. If not, HRT may be in order.

Nelson I am NOT accrediting clomid to any improvement.. I cant accept a TT of 119 and consider that anything but a failure 2 1/2 months after my last injection

I dont understand why i would need HRT at 29 years old when I did a 12 week cycle and attempted 3 PCT's throwing everything at the problem. how can that happen? when i read guys doing 20 week tren cycles and recovering just fine ?

 

[C.K.]

Did you get bloods before your cycle steve?

 

[stevesmi]

Did you get bloods before your cycle steve?

yes i mentioned that in my first thread. they were 450-550. in that range when i've test it several times before

2% of which was free.. my free test has always been solid. even now i get a good percentage amount even while my total tset is low

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson I am NOT accrediting clomid to any improvement.. I cant accept a TT of 119 and consider that anything but a failure 2 1/2 months after my last injection

I dont understand why i would need HRT at 29 years old when I did a 12 week cycle and attempted 3 PCT's throwing everything at the problem. how can that happen? when i read guys doing 20 week tren cycles and recovering just fine ?

Everyone is different. I believe anything over 10 weeks is a long ass cycle. But that's me. Give it a little more time. You may bounce back.

 

[downunder hunter]

Ill just add here that I had a long recovery after my last cycle.

I was stupid and jumped into it early without being fully recovered from my previous cycle, my free test was just below the scale. Stupid to start I know! Plus my prolactin and progeserone was high.

The cycle went ok but It was only a few weeks into I realised I should have waited.

When I came off I got bloods done 6 weeks after last inject (i was on test prop/winny/tren ace) I was in the high range of the scale for free test, estrogen was high, prolactin had gone down and progesterone was a little high

12 weeks after last inject my free test was back below normal range I was devestated!

I did nolva for 2 weeks and some otc supps got retested and I was off the charts and I was fully recovered everything else was in range.