PCT and Spermatogenesis question

[fearfulsymmetry]

Guys I have a serious question about coming off and producing sperm. My gf and I are trying to have kids, and having just come off I’m doing the standard PCT regimen of HCG followed by Nolvadex. What I need to know is how soon after I start PCT will my sperm count be normalized again. Reason I am asking is because we are doing an in vitro deal and I need to make a deposit in a cup so to speak, and they charge me each time I do it if the sperm are not viable the first time.

Anyone who has experience with this please chime in.

 

[needtogetaas]

Could be weeks could be months or it could be never bro. One thing I do know is I would be doing a hell of a lot more then just nolva if I was in your shoes.

 

[fearfulsymmetry]

With respect, needtogetaas, this answer doesn't help me much if at all. I can arimidex and clomid for PCT, but my question is under normal circumstances how long does it generally take to restore spermatogenesis after coming off.

 

[needtogetaas]

With respect, needtogetaas, this answer doesn't help me much if at all. I can arimidex and clomid for PCT, but my question is under normal circumstances how long does it generally take to restore spermatogenesis after coming off.

For some reason I feel like I have seen this thread before. Made the same reply and got the same reply. Just thinking out loud bro don't mind me.


I will go do some digging for it. I think some one made a thread just like this one a wile ago.

 

[Nelson Montana]

HCG and nolva were "standard" in 1993.

Nolva is next to useless for PCT and might very well lower sperm count.

HMG, UNLEASHED, aromasan, POST CYCLE, Sustain.

I've said it a million times and will probably say it another million times. Thing is -- no one ever says it doesn't work.

 

[needtogetaas]

HCG and nolva were "standard" in 1993.

Nolva is next to useless for PCT and might very well lower sperm count.

HMG, UNLEASHED, aromasan, POST CYCLE, Sustain.

I've said it a million times and will probably say it another million times. Thing is -- no one ever says it doesn't work.

I ain't heard any one say it did not work for them yet.

 

[HAYEZ]

HCG and nolva were "standard" in 1993.

Nolva is next to useless for PCT and might very well lower sperm count.

HMG, UNLEASHED, aromasan, POST CYCLE, Sustain.

I've said it a million times and will probably say it another million times. Thing is -- no one ever says it doesn't work.

i have only used nolva and hcg for pct on every cycle nothign has ever changed...im on my 7th cycle..i had bloodwork done month after 10 weeks of tren /prop and pct was done..suprisingly my test scores were mid 600s out of 830 or so..so to say nolva is worthless is def not accuratte!
ill keep my nolva

 

[Nelson Montana]

i have only used nolva and hcg for pct on every cycle nothign has ever changed...im on my 7th cycle..i had bloodwork done month after 10 weeks of tren /prop and pct was done..suprisingly my test scores were mid 600s out of 830 or so..so to say nolva is worthless is def not accuratte!
ill keep my nolva

600 out of 830 or so? Explain.

If you recovered using nolva, that's fine, but that doesn't mean the nolva is what made you recover. You can recover while eating Lucky Charms for breakfast too.

Nolva is a site specific anti estrogen. It prevents gyno. That's it. Since other compounds also prevent gyno but are far better for reducing overall estro and increasing free test and don;t have the negative sides of bad lipids, lowered IGF and suppressed libido, that makes Nolva an outdated drug IMO.

 

[HAYEZ]

600 out of 830 or so? Explain.

If you recovered using nolva, that's fine, but that doesn't mean the nolva is what made you recover. You can recover while eating Lucky Charms for breakfast too.

Nolva is a site specific anti estrogen. It prevents gyno. That's it. Since other compounds also prevent gyno but are far better for reducing overall estro and increasing free test and don;t have the negative sides of bad lipids, lowered IGF and suppressed libido, that makes Nolva an outdated drug IMO.

found it



test levels came bnack 649 out of 827
i have always used nolva and hcg

http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=eQvE8Su5Up4ZUWznfHvRkw==

 

[needtogetaas]

found it



test levels came bnack 649 out of 827
i have always used nolva and hcg

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That is good. I am glad it works for you. Is it going to work for everyone? NOOOOO!!! its not. But it will work. Does it make a great recovery for everyone? NOOOOOOOOO!!!

In fact more people have a better recovery using some of the other products on this site and others then they do using just nolva or clomid. Will it work? yes. Is it enough? Well yes and no. I never settle for just enough and most people don't like to ether.

I would never say it can't work. Just that there is better.

 

[needtogetaas]

dermacrine. Not the best for pct. But test went up 100% and estro dropped after just two weeks. Hell If test are the end all bee all mite as well post them up.

 

[sweed]

good thread!

clomid will fill the cup up tho! lol

 

[Roc86]

HCG and clomid will be your weapons of choice dude.

 

[Big_Joe]

HCG and clomid will be your weapons of choice dude.

I would advise the above but add proviron. It will give you a much better chance at not shooting blnks. I don't recall reading anything to recommend proviron so maybe I'm wrong but I know when I use it I get real strong hard ons. Weather this means I'm shooting blanks I can't say. I already have all the kids I want.

 

[KD1]

I would advise the above but add proviron. It will give you a much better chance at not shooting blnks. I don't recall reading anything to recommend proviron so maybe I'm wrong but I know when I use it I get real strong hard ons. Weather this means I'm shooting blanks I can't say. I already have all the kids I want.

Proviron wont make you recover better, it will just make you horny, which is a good thing if you are trying to conceive.