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Pat Tillman - Opinions?
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biteme said:
It's true bro, you have some pissed off at the world 19 year old straight from the streets out of basic training with a huge grudge against someone of a rival gang or something... or some asshole NCO who abuses his authority to make his subordinates look like a total ass in front of all of his friends, (there really are a lot of egotistical overbearing brainwashed morons in the military, and I can say that because I'm a gulf war vet and know how they are a lot of times) Think for one second, if I had the chance to off a couple of them by "friendly fire", that I wouldn't have done it. I've known people in the army who have done horrible things who deserve to be killed. However, it takes a lot to put your life on the line, and if they were to be killed it would be the right thing to have the same caliber of human to be the one to do it.
bigmann245
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i for one having done 12 years in the military and also having been stabbed in the back by so called "Brothers" can say if i had the chance (at the time) i would have "accidentally" taken out some of them. when you are away from home for 6 months or more and day in and day out you have these assholes pushing your buttons it happens. i saw a guy working on a helicopter part. this was part of the rotor blade that weighs several hundred pounds and needs a hoist to lift it. well this guy kept pushing him and pushing him and all of a sudden he picked up the spindle (made of titanium) and threw it at the guy. he didnt hit him but came close. he ended up not getting in trouble because the officer in charge told him he was not allowed to leave the boat till he saw the captain. well the only person on the boat that can make you stay on the boat IS the captain. so when he went and saw him he was presented with the evidence and saw why the guy threw it at the other guy and would have done it himself if it were him. his excuse for not punishing him was the fact that they already punished him by making him stay on the boat and taking away his liberty.
he could have gotten so fucked. good thing the commanding officer saw reason and not just the law.
but seriously fokes this thing he threw at the guy is extremely heavy so his adrenaline had to be flowing. he even said he wished he killed him. tension is high when you are trapped on a boat for 6 months at a time during time of war because you cant just walk away and blow off steam, they follow you.
he could have gotten so fucked. good thing the commanding officer saw reason and not just the law.
but seriously fokes this thing he threw at the guy is extremely heavy so his adrenaline had to be flowing. he even said he wished he killed him. tension is high when you are trapped on a boat for 6 months at a time during time of war because you cant just walk away and blow off steam, they follow you.
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Megalomaniac
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I find it strange that anyone who has ever been in any of those situations would believes in that kind of foul play. I've watched Platoon and know that Hollywood wants us to believe there is that much going on there but I don't buy their shit. I'm thinking that if I'm in an area where gunfire is highly possible the last thing I want is to not trust the guys who have my back. Even if you dislike ONE guy and take him out then you would find the others around you knowing your ability to be a ABSOLUTE COMPLETE DIPSHIT and you wouldn't last long. Thus the gain of getting rid of the one guy would only lead to your demise from the rest. I'm also thinking that the professionals at the levels that Pat was operating at wouldn't be playing dumb ass games like that. That is just my thoughts, I'm not saying I know it all but I am just pulling from my 10 plus years experience, 3 years hazard duty zones and member of an above average unit.
bigmann245
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sfmonster said:
trust me bro it happens. do you understand how easy it is to accidentally "push" someone over board in the navy? especially off an aircraft carrier? it happens more than you might think.
im not saying i condone it, but believe me ive been there and it is stressful enough but then to have some nerd keep pushing your buttons and pushing your buttons... your gonna snap eventually by either woopin his ass or even worse.
sfmonster said:
That kind of foul play?? How could you believe there's not?? I'm not saying in the Tillman case, but it does happen!! I've met some really warped people in the military and they would probably throw their lives away just to risk killing someone they didn't like. Especially after 6 months having to live in a tent with some asshole who's sole purpose in life seems to be riding you!!
Razorguns
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i'm in the military and trust me there are MANY people, mainly 18-22 y/o punks, i would NOT want covering my back. total gangbangers and shitholes.
and with a macho environment, maybe jealousy/despisement cuz of who Pat Tillman is - combined with maybe a arguemnt earlier - anything is possible.
remember: we even have marines going ape-shit and massacring men, women and children.
anything is possible in a war environemtn. war, deaths, anger, stress, sleep deprivation, attitudes can seriously fuck up young males minds.
but all that said - the military's treatment of this incident is disgusting. So mcuh for army values eh?
"We can lie. But you can't".
Sure friendly fire. Kinda like suicide with 3 bulletholes to the back of the head.
and i sure hope it wasn't a hit put on Pat cuz he was growing disenchanted with why he was there (odd that they BURNED his dairies) and was in danger of meeting with Chomsky.
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and with a macho environment, maybe jealousy/despisement cuz of who Pat Tillman is - combined with maybe a arguemnt earlier - anything is possible.
remember: we even have marines going ape-shit and massacring men, women and children.
anything is possible in a war environemtn. war, deaths, anger, stress, sleep deprivation, attitudes can seriously fuck up young males minds.
but all that said - the military's treatment of this incident is disgusting. So mcuh for army values eh?
"We can lie. But you can't".
Sure friendly fire. Kinda like suicide with 3 bulletholes to the back of the head.
and i sure hope it wasn't a hit put on Pat cuz he was growing disenchanted with why he was there (odd that they BURNED his dairies) and was in danger of meeting with Chomsky.
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seaking420
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wow I cant beleive all of this happens. I mean I can beleive it due to certain circumstances that people just mentioned, but it never crossed my mind that it actually happens. I figured since your at war you want as many soilders on your side. Fist fights are a given, but killin a fellow soilder on your side is just crazy.
digimon7068
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a pure alpha/omega male stud in every sense of the word. . .the world is a lesser place w/o pat tillman in it. . .no matter the outcome of any hearings, he's gone and they don't make very many like him. . .rip pat tillman 
digimon7068 said:a pure alpha/omega male stud in every sense of the word. . .the world is a lesser place w/o pat tillman in it. . .no matter the outcome of any hearings, he's gone and they don't make very many like him. . .rip pat tillman
Yeah he was an excellent soldier, very respectable!! Especially for blowing off that NFL contract to serve his country. I hope the team didn't do it on purpose. It takes a lot to make it through ranger school, and anyone who does so should be looked up to!!
HumanTarget said:
HAHA don't let the wackos here you say that. Remember when I published that list from the paper of the most influential people of the century and his name was on it... and I said it shouldn't have been? Boy those ruffled feathers got pwned for 3 pages by me afterwards arguing about that shit.
digimon7068
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HumanTarget said:
i doubt it. . .that would be too "thinking inside the box" for him. . .honestly? i don't think he was driven by anything more compelling than a simple sense of duty. . .a damned uncommon trait in today's world.
Razorguns
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don't think of tillman as some dumb warmongerer.
he was also a thinker, and it was quite known in his unit - that he was having 2nd thoughts about this war, and was feeling quite used and feeling he was lied to.
and i wonder if that had something to do with his death. rich, white, celebrity, honorable, talking bad about a war. that could be a DoD's worst PR nightmare.
lotsa q's.
he was also a thinker, and it was quite known in his unit - that he was having 2nd thoughts about this war, and was feeling quite used and feeling he was lied to.
and i wonder if that had something to do with his death. rich, white, celebrity, honorable, talking bad about a war. that could be a DoD's worst PR nightmare.
lotsa q's.
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Gambino
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you have an axe to grind with this guy, why is that?AAP said:
and lol at calling him a gloryhog, isn't your whole lifestyle based upon your alleged personal/physical glory? seems hypocritical
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