Par Deus - Question on "One"

[Hoffmeister]

Was just wondering. I think PA had said that he had tried 1-AD as a topical, but found major skin irritations, if I remember right.

Do you have/expect any problems with "One" and irritations?

 

[pa1ad]

Was just wondering. I think PA had said that he had tried 1-AD as a topical, but found major skin irritations, if I remember right.

Do you have/expect any problems with "One" and irritations?

This is incorrect. The 1-Adiol topical was well tolerated by the couple of people that tried it, it just did not result in gains comparable to the oral version. I need to test the stuff on more people to get a consensus.

BTW, I find it almost impossible gettting people to test my products and give decent feedback. Everyone is so eager to try stuff and i give it to them and then either they do not take it at all, take it wrong, take it and I never hear back from them, or some other stupid fuck up.

People are so fucking flaky it makes me sick

 

[Hoffmeister]

Sorry, maybe I got confused with the questions regarding nasal (excuse me, "intra-oral").

I was going to try a round of 1-AD the first of the year, but now I'm hesitating, because of the products like Par Deus's "One". Don't think I'd go with MAG-10, just on principle.

If you're looking for old-fuck guinea pigs, give me a holler This'll be my first round with anything.

 

[Handsome Pete]

Excuse my ignorance, but what the hell is "one"?

By the way - I'd gladly volunteer to be a guinea pig, PA. I'm not a litigious person, so you could try pretty much anything on me.

 

[Par Deus]

Re: Re: Par Deus - Question on "One"

This is incorrect. The 1-Adiol topical was well tolerated by the couple of people that tried it, it just did not result in gains comparable to the oral version. I need to test the stuff on more people to get a consensus.

I know you previously stated that you expected a topical to be better. Do you think it was an enzyme issue?? Different dosing?? Or is the oral bioavailability just that good??

I assume you used ethyl alcohol + IPM??

BTW, I stated somewhere that you said a topical was better -- I think I was confused by you stating you thought it would be better and that the 1-testosterone spray you made WAS very, very good -- So, I apologize.

ParDeus
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[Par Deus]

I was going to try a round of 1-AD the first of the year, but now I'm hesitating, because of the products like Par Deus's "One". Don't think I'd go with MAG-10, just on principle.

Gotta love the anti-Biotest sentiment


ParDeus
Big Motherfucker bodybuilding magazine
Issue #3 now on-line.
http://www.avantlabs.com/issue3/big_mfr_issue_3.htm

 

[Par Deus]

Excuse my ignorance, but what the hell is "one"?

It is a transdermal we (Avant Labs) are bringing out containing 17beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one (aka 1-testosterone) -- it is the conversion product of 1-AD and the substance Mag-10 is an esterfied version of.

ParDeus
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Issue #3 now on-line.
http://www.avantlabs.com/issue3/big_mfr_issue_3.htm

 

[HarmsWayBC]

'One' sounds extremely interesting.......is it going to be as expensive as MAG-10?

What delivery method will 'One' use?

I have wanted to do a cycle of 1-AD, but it seems that a truly effective dose/cycle would be rather expensive....perhaps 4-A-Derm would be a better choice....at 60$/ cycle it's seems like a good deal.

 

[slowgain]

Sorry for the ignorance but is "one" simply 1-AD in topical form or is it 1-Testosterone in topical form.

 

[Par Deus]

Sorry for the ignorance but is "one" simply 1-AD in topical form or is it 1-Testosterone in topical form.

1-test and 4-AD in topical form.

ParDeus
Big Motherfucker bodybuilding magazine
Issue #3 now on-line.
http://www.avantlabs.com/issue3/big_mfr_issue_3.htm

 

[Par Deus]

I have wanted to do a cycle of 1-AD, but it seems that a truly effective dose/cycle would be rather expensive....perhaps 4-A-Derm would be a better choice....at 60$/ cycle it's seems like a good deal.

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If you don't mind a couple lbs of water retention, I think 4-ADerm is a better deal than 1-AD.

1-AD is probably a bit better product, but it is quite a bit more expensive.

And, to your other question -- no, it will not be as expensive as Mag-10.

ParDeus
Big Motherfucker bodybuilding magazine
Issue #3 now on-line.
http://www.avantlabs.com/issue3/big_mfr_issue_3.htm

 

[slowgain]

Par Deus when do you expect the product to be availabel? What are the intial results youv'e seen in testing?

 

[Par Deus]

Par Deus when do you expect the product to be availabel? What are the intial results youv'e seen in testing?

The betas will be available within 10 days, I expect. The final version within a month after that.

I get to start testing next week. Right now my expectations on its efficacy are based on 1) various indirect data -- which is VERY good, 2) The results of 1-testosterone's prohormone, 1-AD, which are also quite good, and 1-test does not have to deal with conversion issues, and 3) PA has tested a topical 1-test, and said it worked "very, very well", which are strong words for him -- meaning if he were Tim Patterson, it would have sounded like the Mag-10 ads -- or better.

ParDeus
Big Motherfucker bodybuilding magazine
Issue #3 now on-line.
http://www.avantlabs.com/issue3/big_mfr_issue_3.htm

 

[slowgain]

Wow that all sounds very exciting, but inform me on how it is legal to sell 1-testosterone. I understand 1-AD because it needs to convert, like all other PH, but if its already converted isn't that considered a steroid by FDA rules? Also do you need beta testers I'd love to be a guinea pig.

 

[Flash_75]

powder?

ParDeus, can you sell this stuff as a powder? It would be really cool to add an enanthate ester to.

 

[Guinness]

PA,

What kinda people are you using as guinea pigs that keep fucking shit up? Hell, I volunteer if you need a lab rat....fly me up to Illinois, house me, feed me, kick my ass in the gym and supp me, and you can do all the measuring you want......probably the only way you are going to get close to a controlled study anyway....But hey, I'm willing to try whatever you are willing to throw my way....

 

[foreverblast2]

sounds pretty damn exciting to me.. hope the price won't be thru the roof though...

john

 

[MIKERAZ]

Hold the phone PAR you saying one is actual hormoen not a persecuer? So its kind of like a real aas , is there anyway to find a supplier of just powder?

 

[Par Deus]

Hold the phone PAR you saying one is actual hormoen not a persecuer? So its kind of like a real aas , is there anyway to find a supplier of just powder?

"Yes" to the first question.

For the last one -- I'm sure KiloSports will carry it.

ParDeus
www.avantlabs.com

 

[MIKERAZ]

will kilosports 1-test powder be good quality ? are there hormones good quality

 

[DR. NOE]

1-test

Just checked Kilosports website bit did not find 1 test power. Is it under another chemical name.

 

[notpuff]

i called them up there waiting for the shipment ,then geting it lab tested ,then selling it she said wait a month