oxandrin

[glennds]

i am 5-10,182, lean, and cut with good abs. i hit the weights very hard, try to eat lots of calories and protein but it is difficult for me to put on mass and considering starting my first cycle.

i have been doing some research and would like to start with oxandrin, which is an oral (injecting myself scares me) and supposedly a "gentle" cycle.

i found a way to get it online in brand name and generic (which is much less expensive). anyone have success with this? can i expect to get the real thing online? it ain't cheap, but i want to put on 10 or 15 lbs muscle.

 

[Goldprospector]

How old are you?
I am on a gentle cycle now of 250 Sust EW. Gains are great and strength is through the roof.

Always remember, it's not the AAS that does all of the work. You get out of a cycle what you put into it. If you eat like hell and eat a lot of fat, then you'll get fat. If you don't work hard, then you wont gain quality mass or much mass at all. If you eat clean and high PT content with a guality work out...then you will gain quality mass.
BTW, I think it would be difficult to put on 10 to 15 lbs of LBM with OX alone.

 

[glennds]

gold i am 40 (no young kid) and still have a great metabolism and able to eat whatever i want. i was recommended a combination of oxandrin and androgel. i have read on this board androgel is not that effective. isn't sust an injectable?

 

[Juice Authority]

gold i am 40 (no young kid) and still have a great metabolism and able to eat whatever i want. i was recommended a combination of oxandrin and androgel. i have read on this board androgel is not that effective. isn't sust an injectable?

I always recommend a baseline test with any oral since orals do suppress T-levels. As far as orals go, Ox is the safest but it is still toxic to the liver as it's a 17aa like D-bol and winny.

heres a graph where 5 days of ox @ 15mgs a day significantly depressed htpa...=

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/8/2705/F3


Test/Anavar is a solid and relatively safe first cycle. I would go with a single ester like Enan or Cyp at 250-500mg's/week with 30-40mg's of Ox ed. Androgel is a complete waste imo...

 

[glennds]

thanks juice, this is good advice. oxandrin does not seem like a great choice after doing a little more research. it is very expensive and may not give the results i am looking for.

btw, what are t-levels and htpa?

i have read up some on sustanen. it sais one of the "side effects" is an extremely increased sex drive. is this a bad thing?" can anyone describe how this has affected their sex drive?

 

[Mavy]

thanks juice, this is good advice. oxandrin does not seem like a great choice after doing a little more research. it is very expensive and may not give the results i am looking for.

btw, what are t-levels and htpa?

i have read up some on sustanen. it sais one of the "side effects" is an extremely increased sex drive. is this a bad thing?" can anyone describe how this has affected their sex drive?

t-levels - Testosterone levels
HPTA - hypothalamic-pituitary-testes axis

You really should know what your HPTA is before you begin a cycle because this is what you are gonna throw out of wack by adding steroids to your body, and this is what you are going to have to learn to recover from in your postcycle therapy once you shut this mechanism down.

Most anabolic steroids, especially the androgens, cause inhibition of the body's own testosterone production. When a bodybuilder comes off a large steroid cycle, natural testosterone production is zero and the levels of the steroids taken in the blood are diminishing. This leaves the ratios of catabolic : anabolic hormones in the blood high, hence the body is in a state of catabolism, and, as a result, much of the muscle tissue that was gained on the cycle is now going to be lost.

Not all steroids do cause shut down of the feedback mechanism (hpta). Everyone is different and you must also take into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose in order to determine if or what you will need for postcycle therapy.

Anavar is a good choice for strength and quality lean gains. If you want lean gains try a cycle of anavar and equipoise, maybe something like this...

wk1-8
Var:35mgs/day
EQ: 400mgs/wk

I would be very weary of ordering your var off the internet. Most legit sources do not have a website. It is expensive so you want to be 100% sure before you dump your cash on it. Do a source check with the mods on the board here before you order.

I strongly suggest that you hang around the boards here for a while and start really researching all there is to know about juicing before you do it.

Good Luck,
Mavy

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

As far as sex drive, it should not cause any problems as far as being out of control or anything, but you will be ready if and when a sexual situation arises.

I think this would be a solid cycle for you:
250mg Sust EW-- weeks 1-8
40mg Var ED ----- weeks 3-8

Many will tell you 500mg of sust is a minimum, this is not true. With diet and training you will have good gains with only 250mg of test weekly + the Var, not to mention you will probably suffer little if any estrogen related sides and a quick recovery of your natural test production.

Now if you have been juicing for years, and you are preparing for competitions yes, you would increase these doses, but in your case and most "newbies" cases lower doses and shorter cycles are best.

With these doses and good training you can see significant results, and you should be able to keep most
of the gains you see with this cycle.

 

[cbeaks]

thanks juice, this is good advice. oxandrin does not seem like a great choice after doing a little more research. it is very expensive and may not give the results i am looking for.

btw, what are t-levels and htpa?

i have read up some on sustanen. it sais one of the "side effects" is an extremely increased sex drive. is this a bad thing?" can anyone describe how this has affected their sex drive?

when using test I have started to add in the cost of porn/lubricant for my cycle cost. - cbeaks

 

[glennds]

aren't anavar and oxandrin (brand name) the same thing?

 

[genarr4]

aren't anavar and oxandrin (brand name) the same thing?

Yup.