Over 60 and ready to get big

[burnthiscorpse]

If your dead set on it, I would say a very small amount of injectable test would be the thing. Using winstrol and clen would be an extremely BAD idea for your health. especially the clen. I am 33 and I would never ever touch clen.
Nelson is right. You need to alter your muscle/fat ratio big time. Lighter weights and higher reps with shorter rests between sets will make you grow. But be healthier for your heart and body then real heavy weights will be at this point. Nothing stresses the body like heavy BB rows, squats and deadlifts.

 

[adatudz]

Well, most people would say that I look fine, but I don.t look fine. I have a 36 waist, which I detest, but I have never known anything but that--kind of a pear shaped guy....endomorph...I was at my new gym and the trainer took the devise and took my body fat. I have been eating protein rich, moderate carbs, and low fats ( no carbs) after 600, using my Skip La Cour tapes for motivation and hitting the gym hard for the last month. The bf has come down I am sure, becasue my clothes fit better.
I was a horrible eater, and the only time I felt good what about 6 years ago when I did do Body for Life and looked better. But I forgot my focus and went back to old habits. This time it is for real....Yea you men and women have heard that before, but I want to be the best fit guy I can possibllly be......I do appreciate folks answering this post.

 

[big bomber]

having 800 test level is pretty stellar man, u will be able to make pretty good gains! i agree with nelson, stick to high reps to help get rid of some fat, try some cardio as well..btw stay away from the clen and winstrol at ur age, i think it would be more harm than good. sounds like u are already on the gel, but if u are wanting to get into anabolics u doc will prescribe some test for ya considering u are already on the gel..just keep at it man, and welcome!

 

[adatudz]

I appreciate u guys being honest with me....I will not do Clen or Winstol and once the gel runs out, as I have a 4 month supply, the doc is going to put me on the injectilbe T, mostly because the gel produces a slight rash, but I feel like a new man on this gel . I will be splitting my routine 4 times a week, concentrating on different body parts, sticking with my bb diet and water, and working through this book by Skip La Cour, called Thinking Big which addressed the mindset of going to the gym and winning. For me it is to start to identify myself as a bb, no matter where I am in the process. I always looked at you guys and never identified because you were always so much more advanced which gave me persmission to resist and give up. That victim mindset has gone, and Skip, the Tony Robbins of bb, has helped me with that.

 

[straitedge52]

I will share my experience with you and maybe it will help your focus and thought process.

I will turn 57 next week. I started my turn around earlier this year (Jan/Feb) by visiting an orthopedic Doc because my knees were kiling me. I am 6"-2" and was at 304 lbs BMI was 32% with a 44" waist and was miserable. I had torn miniscus in both knees. While I was in the treatment room waiting for the Doc I noticed via some litterature that he had branched his practice into wellness, anti aging and HRT. I asked him if I was a candidate since I was overweight, no drive and felt like shit all the time.

He performed the blood and saliva test and while I waited on the results (2 weeks) I went to my cardiologist and had the whole cardiac work up including a stress test which kicked my ass. All of the cardiac checked out ok and the blood/saliva test indicated that I was ok on cholesterol/tryglyceride but my Testosterone was in the low/normal range. I think around 480+/-. My wellness Doc had put me on a handfull of nutriceuticals to take daily and he started injecting me every week with Testosterone Cypionate 200mg. I did this for a month and ran more blood and he changed to every other week with the Test.

After 3~4 days passed with the initial injection I felt the surge. I started going to the gym 3x a week and after 8 weeks I started seeing results. I started whey protien powder and added some NOX supplement. By late July I had dropped my weight to 265 , waist to 40" and BMI to 25% !! In early August my Doc and I agreed that I should start injecting myself and sent me home with the vial and hardware for ten injections. I went back to 1x week and am now injecting every 5 days. I think I am getting close to the "sweet spot" for me.

My knee problems have almost gone away completely and I look forward to gym visits and have a much better outlook on life. The goals I have set for myself are realistic I feel for my age. I am resolved that I can't achieve the big mass that a serious "cycle" would produce. What I can do however is use the technology and knowledge that I am gaining with this site to shape my body to look and feel the best I can. One of the tricks that I have found is the ability to direct development in certain areas that I feel need work.

To that end I have started using only a teaspoon of creatine mixed in with my protien shake along with a small amount of Cytocarb powder about an hour prior to workout. For post workout I have another protien shake with Cytocarb within an hour while I am still pumped.
This set up opens my blood vessles and muscle fibres during my work out and feeds that protien and amino acids straight to the muscle cells. The post work out drink continues to feed the cells at a time when they are screaming for food/nutrients. The Testosterone is accelerating the mucle cell repair and growth. The pumps I get with the creatine are pretty significant compared to without it. It doesn't take much.

Guys like us have to be very aware of changes and side effects when doing this stuff. I have started taking an estrogen blocker because accordingly at some point the Testosterone can convert to estrogen and it causes negative things that you can read about elsewhere on this site.

In summary, my short term goal is to get my waist to 36", BMI to 15% and weight down to around 225~230. The weight may seem heavy but I know I have a heavy frame and to me the weight is not as much a measure of fitness as is that waist size and the BMI %. Diet has become something that I am focusing on and I know that the changes that I am making now must become prmanent ones. The amount of weight I am using in my excercises is not as important as the ability to add small increases while maintaining proper form and execution of each rep. I know one of my measures of success is the ability to do Roman Chair "dips", 3: sets of 10. When I was playing football in High School and again when I was in great shape in my mid-thirties I could do it. I'm not there yet but know I will be soon.

Hopefully some of this helps put some perspective on this for you. I read alot of stuff on this site and try to learn something new every day.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I will share my experience with you and maybe it will help your focus and thought process.

I will turn 57 next week. I started my turn around earlier this year (Jan/Feb) by visiting an orthopedic Doc because my knees were kiling me. I am 6"-2" and was at 304 lbs BMI was 32% with a 44" waist and was miserable. I had torn miniscus in both knees. While I was in the treatment room waiting for the Doc I noticed via some litterature that he had branched his practice into wellness, anti aging and HRT. I asked him if I was a candidate since I was overweight, no drive and felt like shit all the time.

He performed the blood and saliva test and while I waited on the results (2 weeks) I went to my cardiologist and had the whole cardiac work up including a stress test which kicked my ass. All of the cardiac checked out ok and the blood/saliva test indicated that I was ok on cholesterol/tryglyceride but my Testosterone was in the low/normal range. I think around 480+/-. My wellness Doc had put me on a handfull of nutriceuticals to take daily and he started injecting me every week with Testosterone Cypionate 200mg. I did this for a month and ran more blood and he changed to every other week with the Test.

After 3~4 days passed with the initial injection I felt the surge. I started going to the gym 3x a week and after 8 weeks I started seeing results. I started whey protien powder and added some NOX supplement. By late July I had dropped my weight to 265 , waist to 40" and BMI to 25% !! In early August my Doc and I agreed that I should start injecting myself and sent me home with the vial and hardware for ten injections. I went back to 1x week and am now injecting every 5 days. I think I am getting close to the "sweet spot" for me.

My knee problems have almost gone away completely and I look forward to gym visits and have a much better outlook on life. The goals I have set for myself are realistic I feel for my age. I am resolved that I can't achieve the big mass that a serious "cycle" would produce. What I can do however is use the technology and knowledge that I am gaining with this site to shape my body to look and feel the best I can. One of the tricks that I have found is the ability to direct development in certain areas that I feel need work.

To that end I have started using only a teaspoon of creatine mixed in with my protien shake along with a small amount of Cytocarb powder about an hour prior to workout. For post workout I have another protien shake with Cytocarb within an hour while I am still pumped.
This set up opens my blood vessles and muscle fibres during my work out and feeds that protien and amino acids straight to the muscle cells. The post work out drink continues to feed the cells at a time when they are screaming for food/nutrients. The Testosterone is accelerating the mucle cell repair and growth. The pumps I get with the creatine are pretty significant compared to without it. It doesn't take much.

Guys like us have to be very aware of changes and side effects when doing this stuff. I have started taking an estrogen blocker because accordingly at some point the Testosterone can convert to estrogen and it causes negative things that you can read about elsewhere on this site.

In summary, my short term goal is to get my waist to 36", BMI to 15% and weight down to around 225~230. The weight may seem heavy but I know I have a heavy frame and to me the weight is not as much a measure of fitness as is that waist size and the BMI %. Diet has become something that I am focusing on and I know that the changes that I am making now must become prmanent ones. The amount of weight I am using in my excercises is not as important as the ability to add small increases while maintaining proper form and execution of each rep. I know one of my measures of success is the ability to do Roman Chair "dips", 3: sets of 10. When I was playing football in High School and again when I was in great shape in my mid-thirties I could do it. I'm not there yet but know I will be soon.

Hopefully some of this helps put some perspective on this for you. I read alot of stuff on this site and try to learn something new every day.

Thats good shit man!!

Dont go overboard on the AI though. You NEED some estrogen in there to balance things out.

 

[advanced-stealth]

At 24% bf worry more on doing cardio and a clean diet.

 

[Dial_tone]

Cut your carbs, raise your fat with healthy fats, Omega-3's.

 

[iron asylum]

I see that nobody has mentioned any kind of HGH. I would think that might be a good addition to testosterone and know that many rejuvination clinics use this method.

 

[perryscoon]

First of all congratulations on feeling better and getting yourself some probably well needed testosterone. I'm guessing you are reaping the sexual benefits of it as well? hehe

Like others have said, I would work on getting your body fat down a little first before you go all out with the muscle gaining. But, when you do, I would think that a combination of any of the following with testosterone would be good for you: Deca, Primo, & HGH.

At your age I would stay away from most of the other steroids and especially Clen. NO Clen for you young man!