OUTDATED STEROIDS! Are You Still Taking Them?

[Powerbuilder333]

Anyone who thinks Abombs are outdated has never competed in powerlifting.

 

[chazk]

I would say that prob all of the steroids we take are outdated.They were invented 40-50 years ago.The money that it would take nowadays to desighn and patient new steroids with better effects and less side effects is not worth it to the pahramacutical companies.With the govt being so strict on perscribing steroids nowadays vs manyyears ago the pharmacutical companies would lose money due to very limited sales of the new drugs that they would develope.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Ok I have to step in here for a second. I like mac and ulter and think they contribute alot. I frequent afb@#$ as well. But, to say that they were not plug whores would be a distortion of history. When someone asked about how their cycle looks, the af response was "I dont see aifm in there"...etc.. This is how they put food in their family's mouths.

I think it is a stretch to say replace Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - with "#@$#". But, Nelson is a sponsor here and has the right to pimp his stuff.

Correct. I totally agree. Here's my thoughts on this:

In the end, this is how both Nelson and myself support ourselves financially. It's actually a bit insulting for people to take this "how dare you try to earn money and support yourself financially, when I have the right to expect that you ought to provide information to me for free, promote nothing, and earn no money".

It's just bullshit.

Also, people always talk about studies and all this PubMed stuff, and Nelson's products (as well as mine) have both got studies behind them as well as bloodwork, and you know what? Our products perform as well as pharmaceuticals in many cases. Actually, they outperform them in many cases.

You like Clomid for PCT? Well, that's great, but you get a higher test elevation with MyoGenX + Unleashed. The studies support this, as does member bloodwork. But, because Nelson and I earn money from those products, we shouldn't promote them?

How dare he and I try to earn a living by developing good products! Shame on us! And furthermore, how dare we tell you about those products here, where we are sponsors!

And as for all the marketing advice ("Your products would sell better if you didn't push them") ...shove it...that's bullshit advice. MuscleTech ring a bell? Yeah, they advertise more than any other company and they have the highest sales. Same for Lipo-6/Nutrex, etc...so really, shove the "don't advertise" style advice, because until you pay my rent, or we go into business together, I don't want to hear about your business model.

 

[truckdaddy]

In the end, this is how both Nelson and myself support ourselves financially. It's actually a bit insulting for people to take this "how dare you try to earn money and support yourself financially, when I have the right to expect that you ought to provide information to me for free, promote nothing, and earn no money".


you dont push half as hard as he does and you know it, he should take some lessons on tact from you......no one is trying to take food out of his mouth. I have tried all kinds of supps from this board over the years, some good, some bad. Im a sucker for supps, but i wait until the board starts ranting and raving about something before i hop on. Not because big blast is better than deca cause nelson says so and he gets $5 for every jug sold......if your shit works so good, pass out some samples....the rest will follow.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

he should take some lessons on tact from you......

Hell has officially frozen over.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Okay, quick points.

This will be the last tme I addres truckdaddy. His main argument is that I said BIG BLAST is stronger than Decca and I never did. So what's to argue about? He doesn't get it. End of story.

A-bombs for powerlifting? Okay. Hell, methytest is great for powerlifters but I'd never that recommend anyone use it. Bodybuilders and powerlifters (both ironically thought of as strong) use more damaging drugs in order to make no money than any other athlete.

Yes, I feel Decca is outdated because it was trying to do something that has been shown to be inneffective. (Grow muscle without affecting the HPTA).

Nothing has come out that does what GH does but my point was more about the "novelty" of G H being gone. At one time it had this allure as being a miricle drug and it just hasn't panned out.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

This is purely from the perspective of the "risk vs benefit" ratio.


ANADROL: People think it's strong but it's actually very weak. That's why it coes in a 50 mgs tab. Anadrol will increase blood volume more than any other drug, leading to massive gains and massive bloat, all of which are lost shortly after the cycle is over. You will however be left with a shitload of estrogen and progesterone. Viable alternative -- creatine and VIGOR. You'll be a bit bloated but you'll get a decent size and strength gain with no sides.


ANAVAR: Does little for size but promtes strength gains through creatine synthesis. Varr was considered a "safe" steroid due to the fact that it is more anabolic than androgenic and perhaps a LITTLE less toxic mg per mg than other 17 alpha-alkylated's. But at doses needed to make a difference it is most definitely toxic. A good safe alternative is creatine and a hefty dose of BCAA's.

Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - DURABOLIN: By changing the compound into a "nor" it was thought it wouldn't supress the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - . What a disaster! Decca is one of the MOST supressive compounds! It also increases bloat via an increase in progesterone which is impervious to anti e's. A disasterous compound. A natural choice for size gains would be BIG BLAST.

PROVIRON: I used to love proviron but it's time has come and gone. It's one of the few drugs that will block S H BG but it still supressive and will not do much for growth. UNLEASHED comparably blocks SH BG, thus increasing "hardness" and libibo and to a degree blocking estrogen build up.

TESTOSTERONE BLENDS: Test is test. Fancy blends are attractive but if you're using it on a regular basis you're keeping an even level of it. No need to use a compound that's going to be releasing it at differenct times when you're doing that anyway.

T3: Not a steroid but a bad choice for fat loss since it's so supressive. A better choice is T4 which atleast forces the body to convert it to T 3 on its own. And healthy alternative is ZIP which has desicated thyroid gland. (which is what Armour thyroid is and contains natural T4, T3, and T2)

CLENBUTEROL: Again, not a steroid but a stim will a backlash effect. There are plenty of stims. I'm not a fan in general. There are some new supps coming out that burn fat without stressing the central nervous system.

NOLVADEX: First mentiond by Dan Duchaine who later renounced it. All it does is prevent gynecomastia. Sometimes. It also has a backlash effect. A terrible anti e and a terrible choice for PC T. Better choice; "POST-CYCLE."

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - is also used to reduce bloat but this too can be remidied naturally with DEFINITION.

GROWTH HORMONE: I'll probably get some flack on this but after 15 years of this stuff being used I am just not impressed. Money can be better spent elsewhere. Better alternative-- squats and sleep.

There you have it. Anything I missed? The intention here is, in part, to use effective supplements ALONG with GOOD steroidal compounds for the BEST gains with the LEAST side effects. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I'd love to see people make superhuman gains without fucking themselves up. No more horror steroids! Keep it clean. Don't use multiple compounds, some often to counteract the effects of others. Use two good componds (i.e.Primmo and test) and use supps to make up the difference. You'll gain more. Keep more. And crash less. And isnt that what we're all looking to do?

My thoughts on these:

Anadrol: I hated that shit. I got headaches and bloated. Still, I hang out with way more powerlifters than bodybuilders, and it's heresay to talk poorly about that stuff in front of them...

Anavar: Love it. If you get it for free and run 100mgs/day, it's awesome. Otherwise, at low doses it's good for lowering SHBG, but still too expensive. Unleashed is a better buy if you are using it to lower SHBG, frankly.

Deca: Very suppressive, but since I'm on HRT, who cares? I'm not coming off, ever! I like the joint healing effects and it's positive effects on immune function. I wouldn't use more than 300mgs/week though.

Proviron: Great for libido. Maybe for some muscle hardness too.

Testosterone Blends: Kind of like a Scotch blend...definately not better than a single malt (ester). Good if it can be had cheaply and you're short on cash.

T3: Considered a must have if you are dieting for a contest. Otherwise, useless.

Clenbuterol: Albuterol is better. ECA is better still.

Nolvadex: Welcome back to the 80's. There's a lot of better stuff out there, but it's alright.

Growth Hormone: I have a 'script, and am waiting for insurance to let me know if they'll pick up the tab for me. If not, I'm not going to bother with it.

 

[worldclass]

I go away for a week and I come back to this. Nelson you really MUST stop posting about steroids.

Creatine and vigor vs Anadrol
Creatine and BCAA vs Anavar
Deca is a disaster
Proviron is suppressive

I won't even get into the insanity of using supps for PCT over drugs. Because that's just your job.

Do you know where you are? Do you think that the biggest steroid site isn't going to have a shitload of people that know how ridiculous those statements are. JUST STICK TO TRAINING. It's something you know.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Okay, quick points.

This will be the last tme I addres truckdaddy. His main argument is that I said BIG BLAST is stronger than Decca and I never did. So what's to argue about? He doesn't get it. End of story.

Anadrol 50 - oxymetholone - for powerlifting? Okay. Hell, methytest is great for powerlifters but I'd never that recommend anyone use it. Bodybuilders and powerlifters (both ironically thought of as strong) use more damaging drugs in order to make no money than any other athlete.

Yes, I feel Decca is outdated because it was trying to do something that has been shown to be inneffective. (Grow muscle without affecting the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - ).

Nothing has come out that does what gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - does but my point was more about the "novelty" of G H being gone. At one time it had this allure as being a miricle drug and it just hasn't panned out.

Where's the irony in Powerlifters, and Bodybuilders (Ronnie Coleman deadlifting 800x2) being strong?
Here's an amazing concept: People who compete in no money sports, FOR THE LOVE OF THE SPORT! 100 years ago that's the only athletes there were. Now most Americans either are whores, or are wanna be whores. Yea, if I could honorably make money doing what I love - GREAT, I'd cash the paycheck. That's not the case, and I have no problem making an honest living working 40 + hours a week.

 

[a creed]

Where's the irony in Powerlifters, and Bodybuilders (Ronnie Coleman deadlifting 800x2) being strong?
Here's an amazing concept: People who compete in no money sports, FOR THE LOVE OF THE SPORT! 100 years ago that's the only athletes there were. Now most Americans either are whores, or are wanna be whores. Yea, if I could honorably make money doing what I love - GREAT, I'd cash the paycheck. That's not the case, and I have no problem making an honest living working 40 + hours a week.

That "irony" comment has to be the most careless thing I've read since the day I learned to read...............

If it's not a mistake, it simply means the author wears a helmet while being driven around town.