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OTC PCT with Test Infusion and Methyl EAA

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Graceless

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Hey guys, I'm finishing up a 6 week tbol/transaderm run and I think I want to try an OTC PCT. In the past I've always used a low dose of clomid in addition to the OTC stuff but I don't think that's necessary here. Here is what I had in mind.

Test Infusion...6 caps e/d
Methyl EAA...4 caps e/d
Forma...5 pumps am/pm
Lean Xtreme...3 caps e/d
Ostra....25 mg e/d


Like I said, this is my first non-serm PCT so is this comprehensive enough? Thanks guys.
 
I ran a non- serm pct earlier this year using methyl eaa/test infusion/forma/mho poppers/ostarine and it was awesome. I recovered great and my strength didn't drop off either. Best part was no clomid or nolva sides.

I used some other OTC supps as well but they were just icing on the cake really
 
Graceless said:
Hey guys, I'm finishing up a 6 week tbol/transaderm run and I think I want to try an OTC PCT. In the past I've always used a low dose of clomid in addition to the OTC stuff but I don't think that's necessary here. Here is what I had in mind.

Test Infusion...6 caps e/d
Methyl EAA...4 caps e/d
Forma...5 pumps am/pm
Lean Xtreme...3 caps e/d
Ostra....25 mg e/d




Like I said, this is my first non-serm PCT so is this comprehensive enough? Thanks guys.
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Please don't judge a non serm PCT by that one. The supps are fine but the stack is missing key ingredients for recovery. Avenacosides are the most potent thing you can take to recover HPTA and keep testosterone highest while suppressed. Without that, results will be sub par.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Please don't judge a non serm PCT by that one. The supps are fine but the stack is missing key ingredients for recovery. Avenacosides are the most potent thing you can take to recover HPTA and keep testosterone highest while suppressed. Without that, results will be sub par.
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That's complete BS.

Like I said OP, I've recovered perfectly with the supps you have listed and so have others. There is no end all be all ingredient that will make or break your recovery.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Please don't judge a non serm PCT by that one. The supps are fine but the stack is missing key ingredients for recovery. Avenacosides are the most potent thing you can take to recover HPTA and keep testosterone highest while suppressed. Without that, results will be sub par.
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...So what would you suggest?
 
Jbranken said:
That's complete BS.

Like I said OP, I've recovered perfectly with the supps you have listed and so have others. There is no end all be all ingredient that will make or break your recovery.
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That's irrelevant. You can recover with nothing. But some people have a hard time and they'll do better with certain stuff than without it.
 
Graceless said:
Hey guys, I'm finishing up a 6 week tbol/transaderm run and I think I want to try an OTC PCT. In the past I've always used a low dose of clomid in addition to the OTC stuff but I don't think that's necessary here. Here is what I had in mind.

Test Infusion...6 caps e/d
Methyl EAA...4 caps e/d
Forma...5 pumps am/pm
Lean Xtreme...3 caps e/d
Ostra....25 mg e/d


Like I said, this is my first non-serm PCT so is this comprehensive enough? Thanks guys.
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Your PCT is excellent bro. I would feel pretty safe with that even without a SERM
 
bb240 said:
i see all these claims about otc pct, but never any bloods to back them up.
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Skeptics will always be, well, skeptical.

If I show you bloods, who is to say I didn't use a SERM with it? Give it a try for yourself. Other than that, do what works for you.
 
bb240 said:
i see all these claims about otc pct, but never any bloods to back them up.
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ummm.. excuse me but I have posted bloods.. you also must have missed burnthiscorpe's log on an OTC pct.

you haven't been on here long or posted much.. do you even cycle? i thought i read you competed or some shit and just stayed on. its important to disclose that when you give someone advice on pct that you don't even pct yourself. if clomid was so wonderful by itself for pct then you wouldn't need to stay on am i right? i'm not trying to be a prick but I am just calling it the way i see it.

and of course it goes both ways.. guys who recommend pct's who don't cycle mean well but they might be behind the times when it comes to the newer supplements we have today. this is why if you look at my signature I have written on the products I recommend for PCT.. T stack Rx and phyto-serms. now you can run a SERM with them if you want, but keep it at a low dose but really considering phyto has a formula that boosts T AND reduces estrogen you really don't even need a SERM with it.

then you have unleashed that reduces SHBG and boost free T.. and you have of course test infusion which we've talked about which is fucking awesome T booster and very affordable.
 
bb240 said:
that makes no sense
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I'm sorry you couldn't wrap your brain around it. Finish high school English and the words will come together

All I see you doing in threads is making trouble. I have a feeling you're going to piss off a mod soon
 
i remember a few years back hcgenerate was considered bullshit by a lot of guys. it was an OTC after all.

now I get PM's almost everyday from guys looking for the latest discount on it.. its crazy. they love the stuff

do people not realize that drugs are derived from plants and herbs? the only difference is chemicals are added.. i guess they think drugs are derived from rubber or plastic
 
bb240 said:
you're right steve. I no longer do pct. therefore i should keep my mouth shut and not try to help people. i must have no idea what i am talking about.
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you can help people just make sure they know that you don't practice what you preach. lets use full disclosure here to be fair. better yet just send them to me

and if you haven't tried a supplement don't lie and say it doesn't work.. that ain't right either.

otherwise welcome to the board and its the internets, don't get upset if you get a little criticism.. i'm sure if you put up a pic you would get plenty of respect.. i'm sure you are a beast.
 
bb240 said:
all you see me doing in threads is making trouble? exactly which thread is that? i am sure with my 30 posts on this board that i have started all kinds of trouble. i am saying your rebuttal makes no sense, and it still does not make any sense. if you posted bloods for an all natural pct, why would people say you used a serm? thanks for trying to insult my intelligence though, people tend to be more protective and insulting when they are wrong.

you're right steve. I no longer do pct. therefore i should keep my mouth shut and not try to help people. i must have no idea what i am talking about.
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I said you're making trouble because we are trying to help the OP and be positive and all you brought to the thread is skepticism of my claim. My response wasn't hard to interpret. Anyone could run a SERM in pct, get bloods, post them up and claim it was a natural pct. So posting bloods isn't relevant. That was my point. There's no agenda here, I'm trying to reassure the OP
 
bb240 said:
then reassure him by posting your bloods.
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i have bloodwork up bro.. just do some digging..

also look up burnthiscorpse's thread where he logged a natural pct after being on a year straight!! his T levels were 800 with that pct. keep in mind the guy has zero affiliation with the site or any supplement companies. so its not like he has any agenda to promote anything.
 
bb240 said:
then reassure him by posting your bloods.
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If you're here to troll, go to c&c to do it bc you obviously have nothing intelligent to say or any helpful advice to give
 
bb240 said:
just asking for evidence behind your claims, that is all. no reason to get all uptight about it.
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No, you're intentially being annoying is what you're doing. Just let me search my "pct bloods" file... Had I known I would be explaining myself to you 6 months ago, I would have saved them just for you.

If you have a problem with the information shared in this thread or aren't satisfied with the replies, then by all means, troll elsewhere. Steve has already given you a starting point for finding at least two examples of a successful natural pct. The google search tool should adequately assist you on your venture.
 
SERM only PCTs are old school and outdated. There are much better OTC options geared towards recovery nowadays.

The OPs stack is VERY efficient for recovery with Test Infusion and Forged Methyl EAA. There are a ton of ways to skin a cat, and this way just happens to be a very good one.

Then When you have products like Test Stack 17, that have 12 of the best test boosting products on the planet, a SERM can't compete with that.
 
Just want to say thanks to all the guys who have helped me in this thread. I'll post results and bloods at the end of my PCT if anyone is curious.
 
There is plenty of evidence on this site. Use the search function. It works fucking great. There are tons upon tons of logs and PCTs on here without SERMS. Many of them have bloodwork to show it also. Nobody here wants to spoon feed and do the work for you though. Just look it up yourself
 
^^^ only cause you posted the same shit 20X and i told you 20X to use the search function to find the logs. i have 2 logs myself .. you ignored that and kept claiming there was no bloods showing .

its like if i went to a fishing forum and kept saying redfish do not eat shrimp and then demanded the fisherman show proof and then after they showed proof i kept claiming redfish don't eat shrimp. that my friend is called trolling and it won't be tolerated on here!! and yes you will be shown the door if you continue to troll. now as rick said you can go to C&C and play those types of games but on here its not gonna fly especially from a new guy.
 
bb240 said:
i don't want to be spoon fed anything. i just want people to show evidence to support their claims. and not just evidence like.. i felt great during pct and kept almost all my gains! i want blood results, scientific evidence and studies, not just reviews by bros that took something because someone else told them to and really have no idea what it is or is suppose to do. i am not doubting the people have had great results with an all natural pct, i do not refute that one bit. this is someones health and well being you are dealing with, so if you are going to advice or recommend something i would hope you would have plenty of evidence and science to back your claims. if that is too much to ask, then i am sorry.
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Stevesmi gave you a link to an all natural PCT with bloodwork to prove it works. Anything else you want, you will have to search for on your own. Like I said, the search function works great. Use it to find what you want, and don't expect anyone else to dig up things for you.
 
bb240 said:
i read through burnthiscorpse thread about his otc pct and looked at his bloods he posted at the end. everything is pretty impressive for the most part and his results are hard to discredit.. especially with total test being in the 800s. i would personally prefer total test to be a little bit higher than that, in the 1000 range, but 800 is nothing to worry about.

the thing that bothers me about his bloods are his lh, fsh, and free test, which are all on the low side. i am sure you understand the process of the HPTA and how testosterone is produced in our bodies so i won't go into that. so with those low numbers, i would say that he is not fully recovered. would a serm in pct help this? i think so

so my conclusions about his bloods would be this: test boosters will help raise your total test levels, but they won't help getting your HPTA back kicking to full potential. so while you have good test levels, the process of your natural test production is still somewhat lacking. Very impressive results though.

this is just my opinion
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his LH and FSH were in normal ranges and his total T at 800 is very strong.

a SERM would have temporarily boost his LH and then it would of crashed back down. if your way works so good why are you already on HRT at 20?
 
yes, his LH and FSH are in normal ranges, but on the low side. you can't argue that. I am curious to know what they were during pct. I did not see them posted.

a serm would raise the levels from the beginning of the process. yes the levels would come back down on once the drug has been discontinued, but I don't think they would have come down as far.
 
bb240 said:
I am on hrt because I chose to be. 29 not 20
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29 is too young for HRT bro. had you cycled correctly you wouldn't need to be on HRT at such a young age.

where are your bloods from when you cycled? i would like to see your pct and how you recovered otherwise you are in no position to criticize another member
 
bb240 said:
yes, his LH and FSH are in normal ranges, but on the low side. you can't argue that. I am curious to know what they were during pct. I did not see them posted.

a serm would raise the levels from the beginning of the process. yes the levels would come back down on once the drug has been discontinued, but I don't think they would have come down as far.
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his LH levels are IN RANGE. its a wide scope of what is considered within range. and evidently its high enough where his natural T is at 800. that is a very strong number for someone his age off juice for months.

you are nitpicking at something you have zero clue about
 
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