well first off I guess you didnt read my post, I said "Im not saying ronnie didnt take any diuretics, he just didnt test positive like jay" and basically I feel about the situation like this, you guys are talking like saying "lou should have beat arnold" thats what it is equal too.........I have argued over at musclemag international with all these guys about it, and they finally gave in saying how tom prince and some other guys clearly stated ronnie is Mr. olympia, and jay may be able to compete but his posing wasnt as good as ronnies, and his poses when hit werent as perfect.....for you guys that say ronnie isnt a good poser I dont know where you come up with this shit.......why do you guys not like ronnie coleman so much, he is a phenomenal bber and a nice guy, last time I saw him in the gym he was nice enough to give me a handshake and inquired about my training and was telling me to have a good workout.........man all you guys who think your judges are sorry!!!!! Ronnie coleman deserves mr. olympia honors, and jay cutler will have his day, but until then ronnie is KING! Seriously out of all the bbers, saying you dont like ronnie coleman and how he shouldnt be mr. O, is like saying michael jordan shouldnt be classified as the best bballer in history....or its like saying you dont like shaq o'neal...........he's the biggest and the best at this point........and no other pro bber except for this last Mr. O can touch him or barely stand next to him......there are pics that tell the real story, and one of them is in the back of the new musclemag, a tiny one, ron is sizing jay down HARD!!