only gain 6lb during a cycle?? WTF

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

last two cycles i have only gained 6lb in weight from start to finish. WTF
like i start at 210 then end up say at 216 over a 6-8 week period. i did keep 3lb of those 6lbs but hey surely i should be gaining 10lb at least.
i used tren (300mg) and test (500mg) a week with 20mg nolva a day to keep all water retention off. i could use dbol, deca, etc and gain 14lb mostly water which i dont want but hey 6lb is a bit shit isnt it?
by the way i am eating 4500-4700 cals and 300-350g protein every day, sleeping 8-9 hr a night and traininh like a wild man.

 

[axe3]

how tall are you and what %bf? As you pass natty genetic limit #'s get tougher to add on. Also how much time off between cycles?

 

[reigninghard]

i tell ya man 3 -6 lbs of muscle that you keep isnt bad...thats pure muscle!

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

hey reningbird i thought that too. 3lb of muscle each time would be cool. i am not angry about only keeping 3lb but i read about guys gaining like 15lb and keeping 10 but i am 30lb over my genetic natyural max so maybe thats why?
i usaully run 6-8 week on and 5 or so off. but all quick acting gear so by 3rd week of pct i am clean. i am 5`8, body fat is 11%..

 

[Mr.X]

last two cycles i have only gained 6lb in weight from start to finish. WTF
like i start at 210 then end up say at 216 over a 6-8 week period. i did keep 3lb of those 6lbs but hey surely i should be gaining 10lb at least.
i used tren (300mg) and test (500mg) a week with 20mg nolva a day to keep all water retention off. i could use dbol, deca, etc and gain 14lb mostly water which i dont want but hey 6lb is a bit shit isnt it?
by the way i am eating 4500-4700 cals and 300-350g protein every day, sleeping 8-9 hr a night and traininh like a wild man.

If you gain 3lbs. from an 8 weeks cycle, with almost 5000calories per day and 1gram of AS, there is something up. Are you generally lean and have a hard time gaining?

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

wouldnt say i have a hard time gaining. i have gone from 140 to 215 in 9 years of training and on gear for last 3 years on and off. my body fat never goes over about 12% even with 4700 cals a day going in. I am happy keeping 3lb cos if i do that 3 times a year on each cycle i will be 9lb up this time next year but i would have expected to gain 15lb from a cycle not 6lb. as i said i could run dbol, deca, test without any nolva and gain 15lb but i`d be puffy as fuck and lose all of it when i come off as its water. i am confused what i am doing wrong!!?

 

[Mr.X]

wouldnt say i have a hard time gaining. i have gone from 140 to 215 in 9 years of training and on gear for last 3 years on and off. my body fat never goes over about 12% even with 4700 cals a day going in. I am happy keeping 3lb cos if i do that 3 times a year on each cycle i will be 9lb up this time next year but i would have expected to gain 15lb from a cycle not 6lb. as i said i could run dbol, deca, test without any nolva and gain 15lb but i`d be puffy as fuck and lose all of it when i come off as its water. i am confused what i am doing wrong!!?

what AS brand were you using?

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

usually virormone and the tren is british dragon. but the cycle before i used multi vial prop and some other tren acetate. its all good stuff almost 100% on that.

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

bump for info..

 

[itlnstln]

^^^^^^

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

more food? more gear? longer cycles?

 

[i10shunk]

here you go bro, maybe this will motivate you!
Gaining Weight: I can't gain weight! What should I do?
By Tom Venuto


Motivational speaker and author Anthony Robbins once told the story of a man at a seminar who was extremely frustrated with his lack of results in marketing his company. The befuddled businessman said that he had tried everything but nothing worked. Here is the exchange that went on between the two of them:

Robbins: "You've tried EVERYTHING???"
Attendee: "Yes, I've tried absolutely everything!"

Robbins: "Tell me the last HUNDRED things you tried,"
Attendee: " I haven't tried a hundred things."

Robbins: "OK, then just tell me the last FIFTY things you tried."
Attendee: "I haven't tried fifty things."

Robbins: "Alright then tell me the last DOZEN things you tried."
Attendee: (getting somewhat embarrassed) "Well, I haven't tried a dozen things."

Robbins: "I thought you said you tried EVERYTHING! So tell me then, how many things have you tried?
Attendee: (Shrinking back into his seat), "Two or three."

Obviously the man got the message loud and clear (Hopefully you did too).

Now ask yourself - and be honest - have you really tried EVERYTHING? How long have you been working at gaining weight? How persistent have you been? How many different training and diet strategies have you tried? How many calories are you eating? How many times have you increased your calories?



When I pose these questions to so-called "hard-gainers," 19 out of 20 of them admit that not only have they tried very few things, but they haven't even mastered the most basic fundamental of gaining weight: YOU HAVE TO EAT LIKE A HORSE!

Here's the secret in two words: EAT MORE. That's it! That's all there is to it! (Well, there ARE other factors like training and recovery, but food really is the master key to getting big).

Don't look for shortcuts, whether it's drugs, supplements or some "secret" training program - nothing else can possibly help you unless you've mastered the most basic fundamental: FOOD. Motivator Jim Rohn said, "There are no new fundamentals. You have to be suspicious of someone who says 'I've got a new fundamental.' That's like someone inviting you to tour a factory where they are manufacturing antiques."

The truth is, most people throw in the towel way too soon because eating enough to gain lean body weight is downright hard work.

T.C. Luoma, editor of Testosterone.net, gave the best (and funniest) advice on this subject that I have ever heard:

"I can't gain weight no matter what I do! I am so sick of hearing that ubiquitous woe; when a client comes to me with this familiar lament, I usually offer a detailed explanation concerning caloric intake along with a proper meal plan strategy while providing encouragement through positive reinforcement. But I fantasize about smacking him repeatedly over the top of the head while yelling EAT, EAT! JUST EAT MORE YOU MORON!!! Simply put, if you're a terminal hardgainer it will be necessary to "force feed" yourself throughout the day. As soon as you can eat without making yourself ill, eat some more."

One of the biggest bodybuilders, inch for inch, that I have ever seen is Dave "Jumbo" Palumbo. Dave is a top-level national NPC heavyweight. I saw Dave up close in person in the audience at the Night of the Champions in New York a couple years ago and my eyeballs nearly popped out of my head! Dave was so massive he didn't even look human - he looked more like some sort of cartoon superhero caricature (you know those "Musclehedz" cartoons?)

Some people are quick to point out that bodybuilders who get that big must be taking drugs - but they're missing the point. The point is that ALL massive bodybuilders have one thing in common, whether they are drug free or not: When asked in his column, The Truth According to Palumbo, "what is the secret to getting huge?" Palumbo wrote,

"The difference between the massive bodybuilder and the mediocre bodybuilder is that the massive one views eating as a JOB (not as a luxury).

You can allways smoke some weed to create that ever needing urge to eat!

Steven

 

[i10shunk]

One last thing!

1. Eat at least 18-19 calories per pound of body weight. For example, if you weigh 180 lbs, you need at least 3420 calories to gain weight (180 lbs X 19 cal/lb. = 3420 calories). Remember, this is just a starting estimate. If you're not gaining weight, eat more!

2. Set your goal to gain a half a pound to one pound per week. If two weeks go by and you haven't gained any weight, increase your calories by about 10%. Continue to repeat this process until you start gaining weight.

3. Never let yourself get hungry. Ron Coleman (the NPC light heavyweight, not Ronnie Coleman the Mr. Olympia) once gave me some great advice at a seminar we were giving in Scranton Pennsylvania some years ago. He said that if you let yourself get hungry, it's too late - you're losing muscle - so never let yourself get hungry.

4. Be consistent in your eating habits: Are you eating 4000 calories one day and only 1900 the next? Success is a result of consistently applying the fundamentals every single day.

5. Eat 6 times a day and eat a meal every 2 1/2 to 3 hours - never, ever, ever miss a meal!

6. Don't eat a lot of junk food, but don't be too strict either (because you're afraid of losing your abs). You have to eat a lot to gain. Worry about getting ripped later.

7. Take Dave Palumbo's advice: Approach eating as a JOB, not a luxury.

Steven

 

[big49ersfan]

wouldnt say i have a hard time gaining. i have gone from 140 to 215 in 9 years of training and on gear for last 3 years on and off. my body fat never goes over about 12% even with 4700 cals a day going in. I am happy keeping 3lb cos if i do that 3 times a year on each cycle i will be 9lb up this time next year but i would have expected to gain 15lb from a cycle not 6lb. as i said i could run dbol, deca, test without any nolva and gain 15lb but i`d be puffy as fuck and lose all of it when i come off as its water. i am confused what i am doing wrong!!?

i think you answered your own question!!

in my expericne the best way to work out the amount fo cals i need is to keep on increasing them until i start putting on fat then that is the level you need for maximum for muscle growth. If you are not putting any fat on it means you aint on the edge of fat/ muscle gain.

K i aint very articulate but i think you get what i mean- eat more.

4500cals for some may be a lot for you it isnt enough

 

[golferstud84]

Do you track your calorie count on paper or online ... .or are you guessing... For me I would've sworn i was eating 4000+ calories a day and only until i began to track it online at fitday.com... I saw that I was only averageing about 2500 calories haha.... now its up to 5000 and lovin the results

 

[Mr.X]

usually virormone and the tren is british dragon. but the cycle before i used multi vial prop and some other tren acetate. its all good stuff almost 100% on that.

From the looks of it, you might have to change your diet around and increase caloric intake even more.

 

[derailed]

Whats your body temp? You might be in a chronic fever state or something else going on with you. Btw, for every 1 degree increase in body temp, expect 10% increase in BMR.

 

[Mr.X]

post up your diet, meal by meal, let's see what you're taking in and what can be changed for your next cycle

 

[anal itch]

Have you tried using www.fitday.com to track your food? On my last cycle I stopped gaining weight around week 9 of a test cyp/deca cycle. I thought I was eating enough until I started tracking my food intake religiously on FitDay. I couldn't believe how LITTLE I was actually getting down. I was guestimating around 4000 cals but the numbers showed closed to 3100 cals and not enough protein.

Give it a try and be strict with it. You can add your own foods and use a pull down to retrieve them for foods you eat all the time.

 

[digimon7068]

What were you using and how much did your strength go up?

 

[Proleva]

Have you tried using www.fitday.com to track your food? On my last cycle I stopped gaining weight around week 9 of a test cyp/deca cycle. I thought I was eating enough until I started tracking my food intake religiously on FitDay. I couldn't believe how LITTLE I was actually getting down. I was guestimating around 4000 cals but the numbers showed closed to 3100 cals and not enough protein.

Give it a try and be strict with it. You can add your own foods and use a pull down to retrieve them for foods you eat all the time.

fitday.com is an excellent tool and I agree with others, sounds like you just need to eat more

 

[IronJunkey]

dude I have 2 say that your not eating enought like the rest of us..i try and eat 6000 off cycle..I can gain wait real easy when i do that..3000 is my protien and flax seed oil for the day..I think that you can always break the genetic limits if your lifestyle allows you to maintan that weight..thus eating and training intense..always use the overload princaple... good luck on your next one.

 

[kjm94]

i suggest religiously tracking your calorie/protein food intake like on that fitday that was mentioned....if you really know how much u actually get down ud be surprised

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

was using virormone at 500mg a week and tren acetate by british dragon at about 300mg a week. all good gear no doubting that. strength up by about 10% on cycle compared to off.

 

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

just went on that site to work out my calories. it took me ages to sort it but the following calorie intake has come out on a normal day:

Calories- 4199
proitein- 289g
carbs- 567g
fats- 86g (30g from flaxseed)

4200 divided by 215 (my weight in lb) = 19.53
i was told 18-20cal per lb of BW so that must be ok. i am upping it to 4500 cals now anyway and using 800mg of propa week - fuck it.

 

[i10shunk]

keep us posted man and good luck, interesting to see if your increase in calories will boost your energy too.
sct